Second Hand Smoke=Child Abuse.

[gigman]

Ok, after watching this commercial, shouldn't smoking around, in you house or car, with your child, be considered abuse?

Keeping in mind that second hand smoke can and will cause heart disease, lung cancer, as well as many other lung diseases and respiratory problems.

On top of all that, you are getting them hooked on nicotine without giving them a choice in the matter.

YouTube - Cute Anti-Smoking TV Ad from Canada

[StoneTheCrow]

I'm sure more than one lawyer has tried that in court.

[Stormcrow]

OK, harmful I'll buy. But the bit about addicting them to nicotine is complete bull.

My parents smoked around me with NO reservations. Sitting right next to me on the couch sort of thing. And I felt no "urge" to smoke a cigarette until, like most teens who smoke, I did it to myself, because my friends were doing it.

No, I do not smoke around my kids, nor am I defending the practice. Just making sure that we don't add to the list of evils just because we can.

[CULPRITE_INC]

Okay, this is a subject, like peta, witch just pisses me off to talk about, but here we go...


"an estimated 46,000 deaths from heart disease in non-smokers who live with smokers"

Okay lets delve into this a little more shal we?
Heart disease can be a number of things, including-angina, heart attack, heart failure,Heart arrhythmia, Coronary artery disease (CAD).

reading into these disease's most of witch rely more on diet, food consumption ect. then being around a smoker or not, seems like just another padded statistic from our beloved government...

On an entirely different tip, what the fuck is the gov. doing banning cigs at bars and such for fear of other peoples health then the smokers, if mother fucking cigarettes are that fucking bad then fucking ban those mother fuckers!


but this is a little off tangent, child abuse, child abuse? FUCK YOU PUSSYS!
This is another product of what i humbly like to call "The Pussifacation of America" where as things i had to put up with, and people older them me had to put up with as a child, lawn darts, allowing groups of kids to play on there own, the hole "my kids going to get raped but old men!" bull shit. It make me mad that all these yuppy kids are going to be so fucking sheltered then when the real world hit them in the face, there not gonna know what to do.



second hand smoke child abuse? no it toughens then lil fuckers up, but i am not saying you should blow smoke into a babys face, but its far from abuse.

[Tawni]

no more than feeding them an unhealthy diet of fatty fast foods, obese children and diabetic children who grow up to be obese adults with heart disease etc etc ....

a whole lot more than smoking contributes to most who have lung disease and cancer....

[jmsheriden]

On top of all that, you are getting them hooked on nicotine without giving them a choice in the matter.


That's a crock of shit. I lived around cigarette smokers my entire life. I was on my own for 2 years before I started smoking. Why? Because I wanted to look cool to all my smoking friends.

As an actual smoker, I developed the addiction from actually smoking the cigs.

For those who give a shit, I am actually quitting smoking. I took a chance on the Chantix and it is helping.

[4nik8]

For those who give a shit, I am actually quitting smoking. I took a chance on the Chantix and it is helping.

Watch out for the minor side effects like :
gas
anal leakage
ears bleeding
eyes falling out
teeth following the eyes' lead


and...

in all seriousness...

thoughts of suicide.

[StoneTheCrow]

Fuck, with side effects like that, lung cancer don't sound too bad.

[jmsheriden]

in all seriousness...

thoughts of suicide.

The only time I think of suicide is when I read that as a side effect. Not that I want to commit suicide, but the term "thoughts of suicide" just bounce around the skull.

Seriously, so far, so good. 2 1/2 weeks into it right now.

[4nik8]

Good luck with quitting man.

First signs of depression...GET OFF THAT SHIT!!!

[gigman]

OK, harmful I'll buy. But the bit about addicting them to nicotine is complete bull.

My parents smoked around me with NO reservations. Sitting right next to me on the couch sort of thing. And I felt no "urge" to smoke a cigarette until, like most teens who smoke, I did it to myself, because my friends were doing it.
But, now you smoke also. It must have had something to do with it. You were already addicted before you got around your friends.

[gigman]

no more than feeding them an unhealthy diet of fatty fast foods, obese children and diabetic children who grow up to be obese adults with heart disease etc etc ....

a whole lot more than smoking contributes to most who have lung disease and cancer....Wrong.
Smoking is the number one cause of cancer and heart disease.

[gigman]

For those who give a shit, I am actually quitting smoking. I took a chance on the Chantix and it is helping.
It is probably to late though. You will probably die a horrible death in a hospital somewhere hooked up to a breathing machine with tube coming out of all your orifices. Being tube fed until you finally die. Sweet dreams.:xd:

[jmsheriden]

It is probably to late though. You will probably die a horrible death in a hospital somewhere hooked up to a breathing machine with tube coming out of all your orifices. Being tube fed until you finally die. Sweet dreams.:xd:

That would be my luck.

So, you are saying I should just keep smoking?

[gigman]

That would be my luck.

So, you are saying I should just keep smoking?Never!
You will at least feel better till then.:xd:

[StoneTheCrow]

My Grandpa died in his 70's from lung cancer, he quit smoking in his 30's.

[gigman]

My Grandpa died in his 70's from lung cancer, he quit smoking in his 30's.Yep, my point exactly

[Stormcrow]

But, now you smoke also. It must have had something to do with it. You were already addicted before you got around your friends.

Wrong. I smoked to be "cool" for about a year before I felt even the slightest symptoms of what I now recognize as "addiction."

Again, let's not over vilify something that is already guilty of more than enough.

[CULPRITE_INC]

Wrong.
Smoking is the number one cause of cancer and heart disease.

So THEY say

[gigman]

Wrong. I smoked to be "cool" for about a year before I felt even the slightest symptoms of what I now recognize as "addiction."

Again, let's not over vilify something that is already guilty of more than enough.You were around it all the time, you wouldn't know if you were addicted or not. Hell, you were used to it. I bet you never got sick with nicotine poisoning when you started did you? You were already immune to it.:neutral:

[gigman]

So THEY sayHow many PHD's do you have at the end of your name Einstein.:neutral:

[StoneTheCrow]

You were around it all the time, you wouldn't know if you were addicted or not. Hell, you were used to it. I bet you never got sick with nicotine poisoning when you started did you? You were already immune to it.:neutral:

I need to see some facts,graphs and cases of proof Mr. second hand smoke doctor.

[gigman]

I need to see some facts,graphs and cases of proof Mr. second hand smoke doctor.Why don't you try and prove that I'm wrong.
Also, who the fuck was I quoting, errand boy.:neutral:

[StoneTheCrow]

Why don't you try and prove that I'm wrong.
Also, who the fuck was I quoting, errand boy.:neutral:

A. I don't give a fuck, second hand smoke don't mean dick to me.
B. You're the person so sure that second hand smoke is evil.


You prove it dick face.

[jmsheriden]

I bet you never got sick with nicotine poisoning when you started did you? You were already immune to it.:neutral:

Dude, watch out, the aliens are after you too.

[gigman]

A. I don't give a fuck, second hand smoke don't mean dick to me.
B. You're the person so sure that second hand smoke is evil.
You prove it dick face.

Preface
from the Act ng Surgeon General,
U.S. Department of Health and Human Serv ces
The first Surgeon General’s report to conclude that involuntary exposure of nonsmokers to secondhand smoke causes disease was published more than 20 years ago. That report concluded that children whose parents smoke are more likely to experience respiratory infections and respiratory symptoms.
Today, massive and conclusive scientific evidence documents the serious health risks that secondhand smoke poses to children, and the list of these health conditions has lengthened. The 2006 Surgeon General’s report on The Health Consequences of Involuntary Exposure to Tobacco Smoke concludes that children who are exposed to secondhand smoke are at an increased risk for sudden infant death syndrome, lower respiratory infections, middle ear disease, more severe asthma, respiratory symptoms, and slowed lung growth. Because their respiratory, immune, and nervous systems are still developing, children are especially vulnerable to the health effects of secondhand smoke. In addition, young children typically are exposed to secondhand smoke involuntarily and have limited options for avoiding exposure. They depend on their parents and on adults around them for protection.
On average, children are exposed to more secondhand smoke than nonsmoking adults. Most of these children are exposed to secondhand smoke at home. Children continue to be exposed in their homes as a result of the smoking of their parents and other adults. Among children younger than 18 years of age, approximately 22 percent are exposed to secondhand smoke in their homes, with estimates ranging from 11.7 percent in Utah to 34.2 percent in Kentucky.
We know that making homes smoke-free reduces secondhand smoke exposure among children and nonsmoking adults, helps smokers quit, and decreases smoking initiation among youth. What we don’t know, due to a lack of definitive research in this area, is what interventions are most effective in convincing parents to take this step. Targeted, sustained research in this area is urgently needed, with a special focus on evaluating ongoing initiatives to establish what works.
The evidence suggests that vehicles can also be a significant source of secondhand smoke exposure for children. Children can be regularly exposed to secondhand smoke when parents or other adults smoke in these vehicles while they are present. The concentrations of secondhand smoke in vehicles where smoking is occurring can reach very high levels. Making vehicles smoke-free would be expected to reduce children’s secondhand smoke exposure. Again, the challenge is what approaches are effective and appropriate for achieving this objective. To date, it appears that few educational campaigns promoting smoke-free home rules have promoted the adoption of similar rules in vehicles. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency has recently begun to address this setting in its educational efforts.
Parents want nothing but the best for their children. Many parents make great sacrifices for their children’s benefit. If they knew how harmful secondhand smoke was to children, most parents would take steps to protect them. In fact, many parents do attempt to protect their children from secondhand smoke, but take measures that are ineffective, such as smoking by a window or fan, opening a window, or limiting smoking to certain rooms. The 2006 Surgeon General’s report makes clear that establishing a completely smoke-free
home is the only effective way to eliminate secondhand smoke exposure in this setting. It is important that parents receive this message. Educational efforts can play a crucial role in helping parents understand why they need to protect their children from this health hazard and how to do so effectively.
Pediatricians are especially well-positioned to influence parents on this issue. Because of the high levels of secondhand smoke exposure among young children and the health problems they experience as a result, their exposure should be considered a significant medical issue. Well-child visits provide regular opportunities to screen children for exposure and to educate parents about the importance of protecting children from secondhand smoke. Parents who smoke are likely to see a pediatrician more often than they see their own physicians. Pediatrician visits occasioned by an illness related to secondhand smoke exposure, such as pneumonia, offer a unique teachable moment. Pediatricians can advise parents to quit smoking, and can refer them to the range of evidence-based cessation aids that are available, including cessation assistance through 1-800-QUITNOW and FDA-approved cessation medications. In the interim, pediatricians can encourage parents to make their homes and cars smoke-free and to always go outside to smoke. The evidence indicates that, in addition to protecting their children, this step will also help parents and caregivers to quit.
Exposure to secondhand smoke among children remains a major public health problem. Of the more than 126 million U.S. nonsmokers who are still exposed, almost 40 million are children aged 3 to 18 years. We now have clear evidence that only completely smoke-free environments can eliminate secondhand smoke exposure and its related health risks. We need to apply this knowledge to educate parents to take action to make the settings where their children spend time smoke-free. The public’s attitudes and social norms toward secondhand smoke exposure have changed significantly; it’s high time that we build on these changes to protect our children.
Kenneth P. Moritsugu, M.D., M.P.H. Acting Surgeon General

Who's the dick face now BOBO!

[jmsheriden]

Why don't you try and prove that I'm wrong.



Prove that you're wrong? YOU started the discussion. YOU should have facts to back up your claims... and I don't mean that jackass that was on vid in another thread talking about an earthquake machine, I mean real scientific facts.

[jmsheriden]

P
The evidence suggests

There's conclusive proof, right there. There is no doubt about it when "evidence SUGGESTS."

Now, show us your proof on nicotine addiction among 2nd hand smokers.

Also, I would like links to reputable sites.

[StoneTheCrow]

Who's the dick face now BOBO!

You're still the dickface, I already knew this shit. I looked it up earlier, I just wanted to you prove something for once instead of just spouting shit out as if you knew everything there is to know.

[Stormcrow]

You were around it all the time, you wouldn't know if you were addicted or not. Hell, you were used to it. I bet you never got sick with nicotine poisoning when you started did you? You were already immune to it.:neutral:

I don't know about this "Nicotine Poisoning" you speak of, but learning to smoke most certainly made me feel ill, not to mention causing me to cough 'till I puked...glad I stuck with it. :squigglemouth:

[gigman]

I don't know about this "Nicotine Poisoning" you speak of, but learning to smoke most certainly made me feel ill, not to mention causing me to cough 'till I puked...glad I stuck with it. :squigglemouth:Quit making shit up.:neutral:

[Stormcrow]

Quit making shit up.:neutral:

:headslap:

[4nik8]

I don't know about this "Nicotine Poisoning" you speak of, but learning to smoke most certainly made me feel ill, not to mention causing me to cough 'till I puked...glad I stuck with it. :squigglemouth:

Now that's something.

Growing up in a house where parent(s) smoked, you seem predisposed to smoke. Considering how easy it was for you to pick up the habit and sticking with it despite the illness it caused you.

I wonder if your mother smoked while she was pregnant with you.

Hmm, would that not expose you to the nicotine and therefore make you an addict before you ever smoked it yourself?

I say this because your initiation into smoking parallels mine......except for the coughing and getting ill part.

I started smoking to cover the scent of weed before going back into school.

This is kinda interesting.

[CULPRITE_INC]

You're still the dickface, I already knew this shit. I looked it up earlier, I just wanted to you prove something for once instead of just spouting shit out as if you knew everything there is to know.

dude its dated material , and its from the fucking government, the same government that was founded on tobacco money....:crossedlips:

[StoneTheCrow]

dude its dated material , and its from the fucking government, the same government that was founded on tobacco money....:crossedlips:

Is there a point in there somewhere? :ooh:

[CULPRITE_INC]

Is there a point in there somewhere? :ooh:

It would sound like it wouldnt it?

[StoneTheCrow]

It would sound like it wouldnt it?

There may have been but I didn't see one that related to what I was saying.

[Madman]

I'm so sick of hearing people bitch and moan about second hand smoke.. It's getting to the point if you wanna a cig you have to hide in a closet in your house. I get dirty looks every where i go when i lite up. Like I'm doing drugs or something..It's a dam shame we have become a country full of sissies.

[4nik8]

I'm so sick of hearing people bitch and moan about second hand smoke.. It's getting to the point if you wanna a cig you have to hide in a closet in your house. I get dirty looks every where i go when i lite up. Like I'm doing drugs or something..It's a dam shame we have become a country full of pussy's.

I hear ya brother.

Ya know what REALLY kills me?

Not being able to smoke OUTSIDE of an establishment. What the fuck?

You're OUTSIDE...where's the WIND to blow the smoke away...

Jesus Christ, some people get on their kicks and no matter what's done it just isn't enough.

They feel the need to pass even MORE asinine laws to "protect" people.

[Madman]

I hear ya brother.

Ya know what REALLY kills me?

Not being able to smoke OUTSIDE of an establishment. What the fuck?

You're OUTSIDE...where's the WIND to blow the smoke away...

Jesus Christ, some people get on their kicks and no matter what's done it just isn't enough.

They feel the need to pass even MORE asinine laws to "protect" people.
I hear you man we gave them crybaby's half the restaurant then they decided they wanted the whole fucking thing..Pushed us smokers outside.Well i was fine with that but Now you can't even do that.:neutral: I have one more bitch this really pisses me off..I Was picking my kids up from school last week when i pulled up to the school there was a school cop siting in his car the fat fucker got out walked up to my truck and gives me a ticket for smoking! Then gives me a speech about what a bad parent i am for smoking in my car.. WTF is up with that..

[StoneTheCrow]

I'm trying to learn how to blow smoke rings with second hand smoke.

[CULPRITE_INC]

I hear you man we gave them crybaby's half the restaurant then they decided they wanted the whole fucking thing..Pushed us smokers outside.Well i was fine with that but Now you can't even do that.:neutral: I have one more bitch this really pisses me off..I Was picking my kids up from school last week when i pulled up to the school there was a school cop siting in his car the fat fucker got out walked up to my truck and gives me a ticket for smoking! Then gives me a speech about what a bad parent i am for smoking in my car.. WTF is up with that..

dude i would have ran that fucker over.

[StoneTheCrow]

dude i would have ran that fucker over.

No you wouldn't have, you would have signed your ticket and posted about it on a later date.

[gigman]

I hear you man we gave them crybaby's half the restaurant then they decided they wanted the whole fucking thing..Pushed us smokers outside.Well i was fine with that but Now you can't even do that.:neutral: I have one more bitch this really pisses me off..I Was picking my kids up from school last week when i pulled up to the school there was a school cop siting in his car the fat fucker got out walked up to my truck and gives me a ticket for smoking! Then gives me a speech about what a bad parent i am for smoking in my car.. WTF is up with that..
Other people shouldn't have to die because of your filthy habit. Get over it.
NONE SMOKERS RULE!:xd:

[Stormcrow]

I say this because your initiation into smoking parallels mine......except for the coughing and getting ill part.

I started smoking to cover the scent of weed before going back into school.

This is kinda interesting.

I think the difference would be the weed factor. Marijuana smoke is quite a bit harsher than tobacco smoke. Trust me, I know ;). And after smoking pot, a cigarette would be more like walking off a jog. A "cool down lap" so to speak.

Just theory, but a somewhat educated one, having used a cigarette in such a way for many years myself.

[CULPRITE_INC]

this thread should be split for the fat fuck, like me who like topics...

[gigman]

Dear admin,
This thread should have been Forked right when they got into Obesity in children.:neutral:

[gigman]

Thank you nik.:smile:

[Stormcrow]

Dear admin,
This thread should have been Forked right when they got into Obesity in children.:neutral:


I concur, but it's too damn late now. I ain't refiling all that shit! lol

[gigman]

Like the article I posted said, and I will paraphrase, It is a hazard to smoke around little children when they are young. Their organs are being developed. Second hand smoke can cause those organs like the brain to become underdeveloped, which can lead to brain damage, then they become a LIBERAL.
Right, Storm?:neutral:

[4nik8]

I concur, but it's too damn late now. I ain't refiling all that shit! lol

I did it.

I was bored.

[CULPRITE_INC]

Well seeing the topics dieing what about other forms of tobacco use, chew, pipe, and cigar, can they cause child abuse?

[Stormcrow]

Like the article I posted said, and I will paraphrase, It is a hazard to smoke around little children when they are young. Their organs are being developed. Second hand smoke can cause those organs like the brain to become underdeveloped, which can lead to brain damage, then they become a LIBERAL.
Right, Storm?:neutral:

I may be Liberal, but you still talk to your imaginary friend. Just sayin. ;)