Why we should outlaw DOCTORS.

[4nik8]

I was trying to follow Storms logic on fire arms, even though it eludes most people with common sense.

I decided to give it one hell of a go....just so I could say I walked on the other side for a while.

I decided, if guns kill people and that makes them ban worthy.....

What else can we look at?

Physicians:
a. The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.
b. Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000.
c. Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171. (Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept. of Health & Human Services)

Now think about this…

Guns:
a. The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000.
b. The number of accidental gun deaths per year (all age groups) is 1,500.
c. The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is 0.000188.


Statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.


After seeing that, I decided that the idea of banning weapons really was as retarded as I first thought.

:bigsmile:

[LEFT]

lol

they kill more folks than motorcycle accidents as well

MAKE SURE YOU WEAR YOUR HELMET WHEN YOU GO TO THE DOCTOR!

[gigman]

Great point. Maybe we should ban DR.

[Deems]

Guns dont kill people.... If I put a loaded gun on a table and pointed the barrel at myself... nothing would happen. Its an object, a tool. Without human interraction, its worthless. if I unloaded same gun... no difference, it will just sit there on the table. However, if I take unloaded gun and beat Nik over the head..( for bleeding topics/threads without forking for no reason other than to belittle admin) .. THEN, I would have used it as a weapon. Notice that there is a human interraction that must take place for it to be used?

As far as Doc's.... This is what I have been saying for quite some time now...... 'bout time someone else chimed in .Thanx, closed head (blunt force object )trauma Nik.

[Stormcrow]

After seeing that, I decided that the idea of banning weapons really was as retarded as I first thought.


You sir, are an instigating idiot.

I have stated, only once, and in an attempt to make you reconsider your blood thirsty stance, that guns should be banned....to keep them out the hands of people like you. The point of that statement was that YOUR OUTLOOK on the subject was frightening me into that belief, and that I actually did NOT believe they should be banned.


Read to comprehend gig, er...Nik, read to comprehend.

[Stormcrow]

Oh yeah, the topic.

Doctors kill people while trying to SAVE them. Gun owners kill people while trying to KILL them.

Slight difference there.

[Entropy]

Apples and oranges.

Besides, I don't take out doctors for a hobby or sport to blow off some steam and hone my hand-eye coordination.

Although, I'm sure there are some gigolos and call girls that do.

[StoneTheCrow]

Oh yeah, the topic.

Doctors kill people while trying to SAVE them. Gun owners kill people while trying to KILL them.

Slight difference there.

Not necessarily, sometimes the aim isn't as good as they thought and trying to just wound somebody to stop them,they kill them by accident.

[Stormcrow]

Not necessarily, sometimes the aim isn't as good as they thought and trying to just wound somebody to stop them,they kill them by accident.

I believe LEFT said it best with 'There is no such thing as 'shooting to wound'"

[StoneTheCrow]

I believe LEFT said it best with 'There is no such thing as 'shooting to wound'"

Good point, what was I thinking.:nerd:

[CULPRITE_INC]

i rather have a gun to the docs head telling him if her fucks up he goes with me...lol

[4nik8]

Oh yeah, the topic.

Doctors kill people while trying to SAVE them. Gun owners kill people while trying to KILL them.

Slight difference there.

Ok...Dr's kill more people while trying to SAVE them...

Your point is lost on me there.

Even if gun owners WERE trying to kill people (in self DEFENSE no less) that would still make gun owners SAFER than a visit to the doctor.

Let's not forget that approximately 2,575 lives are protected for every life lost to a gun.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it, chump.

How's that Crow taste, Storm?

:xd:

[Deems]

Ok... We're hijacking this to talk about guns, I guess?

CNF gun nazi 's say " No gun for Storm".

[StoneTheCrow]

Ok... We're hijacking this to talk about guns, I guess?

CNF gun nazi 's say " No gun for Storm".

Actually guns were in the opening post, so in theory no hijacking has taken place.:wink:

[Stormcrow]

Ok...Dr's kill more people while trying to SAVE them...

Your point is lost on me there.

Even if gun owners WERE trying to kill people (in self DEFENSE no less) that would still make gun owners SAFER than a visit to the doctor.

Let's not forget that approximately 2,575 lives are protected for every life lost to a gun.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it, chump.

How's that Crow taste, Storm?

:xd:


The point was INTENT. I am seriously starting to question your reasoning abilities.

And what, pray tell, is an accidental gun death? Isn't that when your kid is screwing around with your loaded gun and inadvertently kills themselves? Or when you go out hunting and cant tell what you're shooting at so you accidentally blast another hunter?

[Deems]

The point was INTENT. when you go out hunting and cant tell what you're shooting at so you accidentally blast another hunter?


The vice president did that.:heeheehee:

[LEFT]

yeah but

that is to say he

it wasn't

shit. stumped us with that one Deems.

[Stormcrow]

The vice president did that.:heeheehee:

LOL, yes he did, didn't he.

[4nik8]

The point was INTENT. I am seriously starting to question your reasoning abilities.

Or when you go out hunting and cant tell what you're shooting at so you accidentally blast another hunter?

My reasoning skills?

Mine?

You said doctors intended to SAVE the people and killed more than the people that intended to KILL them.

And who said Cheney didn't know what he was shooting at?

Apparently his "target" wasn't listening o an issue the way he should have and ol' Cheney just had to get his attention.

I'm starting to question whether you even HAD any powers of perception.

Now, I realize that your stance of gun banning had to back track to you saying you stated it "once" to try and save a little face when confronted with evidence that no only are guns safer than a doctor but that, overwhelmingly, guns save more lives than they take AND are proven to reduce crime in any area that concealed weapons licenses are issued.

I'm telling you, oh misguided one, that saying it once is one too many many times....no matter how feeble the excuse.

My contention is that merely carrying a fire arm not only keeps me safe but, the more people that do it, the safer the area becomes.

Seems criminals realize that when they don't know who is packing and who ain't....it might be a better idea to just NOT rob/attack/rape/attempt to murder somebody in the first fucking place.

Gotta love common sense....
Shame even dumb ass criminals are smarter than the average Liberal.

[Stormcrow]

My reasoning skills?

Mine?

You said doctors intended to SAVE the people and killed more than the people that intended to KILL them.

And who said Cheney didn't know what he was shooting at?

Apparently his "target" wasn't listening o an issue the way he should have and ol' Cheney just had to get his attention.

I'm starting to question whether you even HAD any powers of perception.

Now, I realize that your stance of gun banning had to back track to you saying you stated it "once" to try and save a little face when confronted with evidence that no only are guns safer than a doctor but that, overwhelmingly, guns save more lives than they take AND are proven to reduce crime in any area that concealed weapons licenses are issued.

I'm telling you, oh misguided one, that saying it once is one too many many times....no matter how feeble the excuse.

My contention is that merely carrying a fire arm not only keeps me safe but, the more people that do it, the safer the area becomes.

Seems criminals realize that when they don't know who is packing and who ain't....it might be a better idea to just NOT rob/attack/rape/attempt to murder somebody in the first fucking place.

Gotta love common sense....
Shame even dumb ass criminals are smarter than the average Liberal.

Now you're just being an asshole. Comeback when you wish to speak out of your mouth.

(Psst, I meant that)

[4nik8]

That's me driving home a point.

You'll know when I'm being an asshole.

[Stormcrow]

That's me driving home a point.

You'll know when I'm being an asshole.

Like I said...

[4nik8]

And I thought you knew me better than that by now............

[Deems]

And I thought you knew me better than that by now............

Please enlighten us o great one.....
and answer your Pm's once in awhile.... before I have ta put a cap in yo azz! Mofo!



















:neener::neener:

[Stormcrow]

And I thought you knew me better than that by now............

I do. And you're being an ass who can't stick to the topic and resorts to attacks instead of "debating points." I have no respect for that.

[4nik8]

I do. And you're being an ass who can't stick to the topic and resorts to attacks instead of "debating points." I have no respect for that.

BWAAAAAA hahahahahahahahahaha



779

[Stormcrow]

BWAAAAAA hahahahahahahahahaha



779

I'm sorry, when exactly did I cast libelous aspersions on your person, or twist your words in an attempt to both change the topic, and accuse you of believing something you clearly do not?




I'm waiting......











Yeah. Thought so.

[4nik8]

I'm sorry, when exactly did I cast libelous aspersions on your person, or twist your words in an attempt to both change the topic, and accuse you of believing something you clearly do not?





Wait a minute.

I've twisted your words?

Did I not use what you typed?

Yeah. I thought so.

As for the rest of your questions, a quick glance of your posts may help you with your problem of understanding.

[Stormcrow]

Wait a minute.

I've twisted your words?

Did I not use what you typed?

Yeah. I thought so.

As for the rest of your questions, a quick glance of your posts may help you with your problem of understanding.

You sure did...at least the ones that you had a use for. When the post I made is taken in it's entirety, it hardly reads the same. In fact, it reads more along the "The fact that you value Guns more than lives scares the fuck out of me!" lines it was intended as.

See for yourself.

Yep, the Democrats are out to get you by making people take responsibility for their weapons.:headslap:

I will never understand why you feel that firearms should be completely unregulated...you know what they do right?

You should know however, that you all ARE changing my mind about guns. I now think they should outlaw them, specifically to prevent guys like you from having them. Your outlook on them is fucking scary.


PS. I am NOT being cute. Nor am I being ignorant. A firearm is dangerous in the wrong hands. I define the wrong hands as anyone who thinks that guns solve problems, or that people are born with an inalienable right to carry one and "ain't nobody gots a right to be nosey bouts it!"

[4nik8]

Interesting quote.

You seem to have twisted something of mine by stating that I said something to the effect of "guns should be unregulated".

The fact that you said you now feel they should be outlawed is still in there. I didn't have to twist that to make the point I did.

[Stormcrow]

Interesting quote.

You seem to have twisted something of mine by stating that I said something to the effect of "guns should be unregulated".

The fact that you said you now feel they should be outlawed is still in there. I didn't have to twist that to make the point I did.

You know damn well it was a diatribe on the direction of your debate, and the fact that human life was of less worth to you than your right to do as you please with a gun.

But paint it as you like. As I said before, I am finished here.

[4nik8]

You know damn well it was a diatribe on the direction of your debate, and the fact that human life was of less worth to you than your right to do as you please with a gun.

But paint it as you like. As I said before, I am finished here.

I know nothing of the sort. You ended with saying you're not being cute.
Now I'm finished too.

:xd:

[gigman]

Read to comprehend gig, er...Nik, read to comprehend.What are you implying here asshole?

[Stormcrow]

What are you implying here asshole?

Implying? Nothing.

"Read to comprehend gig, read to comprehend" is something I've said to you quite a bit. So when I typed it out to say to Nik, I inadvertently typed "gig."

I decided to leave it in, as I figured it'd be worth a chuckle from you.

[4nik8]

Ooooo...
and you said what I typed was low.....

[Pupperoni]

Apparently this is a lovers quarrel.

[4nik8]

Do you have to go out of your way to sound idiotic or does it just come naturally, Wendy?

Never mind. I've read more than enough of your spew at TIA.

It just comes naturally.

[gigman]

Implying? Nothing.

"Read to comprehend gig, read to comprehend" is something I've said to you quite a bit. So when I typed it out to say to Nik, I inadvertently typed "gig."

I decided to leave it in, as I figured it'd be worth a chuckle from you.
Let's don't start lying to each other. It was no mistake.:squigglemouth:
I have been very nice through this whole thing and you drawled first blood here.
I'll wait till I'm better rested.:neutral:

[gigman]

Apparently this is a lovers quarrel.

You must be nik's new stalker.:xd:

[Pupperoni]

You must be nik's new stalker.:xd:

I've better taste and bigger requirments.

[4nik8]

You must be nik's new stalker.:xd:

She wants to be.

She just doesn't have the wit to mount any kind of attack.

[CULPRITE_INC]

I think its inevitable fact of life that people will die under a doctors hands, and by the gun. But I do not think we should outlaw doctors, if we did how many more people would die?

[Deems]

I think its inevitable fact of life that people will die under a doctors hands, and by the gun. But I do not think we should outlaw doctors, if we did how many more people would die?

the only gurantee in life... is death. We are all gonna die.Its when , by what means, and how big of a mess that we dont know.

Doctors have practices. Yup, every time you visit a doc.. your his new guinea pig. He's practicing on you .

Internists? I hate these assholes. They live in prescription world. Every ailment has a drug... they are pharmaceutical companies best friends.
These morons think that the world can be saved with this drug.. or that one.. hey, why dontcha take 'em both....

Descent medical practitioners are hard to find, they arent the norm. ya want truth? Ask a medic. Your best advice comes from them. ( and this is not meant to be a biased statement... if i dont know... I ask another medic... doctor's are a last resort)

[CULPRITE_INC]

deems, you are right, life is a journey with its final destination is death. lol

[rrmommy]

I was trying to follow Storms logic on fire arms, even though it eludes most people with common sense.

I decided to give it one hell of a go....just so I could say I walked on the other side for a while.

I decided, if guns kill people and that makes them ban worthy.....

What else can we look at?

Physicians:
a. The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.
b. Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000.
c. Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171. (Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept. of Health & Human Services)

Now think about this…

Guns:
a. The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000.
b. The number of accidental gun deaths per year (all age groups) is 1,500.
c. The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is 0.000188.


Statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.


After seeing that, I decided that the idea of banning weapons really was as retarded as I first thought.

:bigsmile:

I think the point you're missing bout the gun deaths is the majority of them are not accidents. You're only showing the percentage that died accidentally...How many people die daily or suffer permanent damage from gunfire? How many innocent lives are taken?

[rrmommy]

Guns save lives??? Yes, when in the hands of trained responsible people. Such as the police and armed forces. You can point out how many criminals have been stopped in the act by a victim with a gun. But I will then point out how many unarmed criminals have went from theifs to murders when they stole the handgun from the untrained victim that was foolish enough to keep it in their home believing it would save their lives. I would also ask where the criminals are getting their weapons. OH YEAH...their taking them from our homes during burglaries and selling them on the streets to all kinds. I think ...and I don't care bout our rights...that guns should be owned only by the law. Trained law enforcement and military personell. They are paid to protect us here and abroad...so trust them to do it. You want to hunt??? Use a crossbow or be a real man and slice it's throat. Seems much more challenging to me...almost like sport.

[StoneTheCrow]

All shit aside, I feel I have to be on the Doctors side in this case. I don't feel that guns could have done what the doctors did when I was fighting cancer.

Carry on.

[4nik8]

...and I don't care bout our rights..


That's painfully obvious.

[Stormcrow]

Let's don't start lying to each other. It was no mistake.:squigglemouth:
I have been very nice through this whole thing and you drawled first blood here.
I'll wait till I'm better rested.:neutral:

Everything I posted was true. Deal with it as you will, but hopefully your rest helps you regain your sense of humor.

[4nik8]

I think the point you're missing bout the gun deaths is the majority of them are not accidents. You're only showing the percentage that died accidentally...How many people die daily or suffer permanent damage from gunfire? How many innocent lives are taken?
I think what YOU'RE missing is that it compared ACCIDENTAL deaths at the hands of the Doctor to ACCIDENTAL deaths by gun.


Ok..since we're not talking accidental anymore, that's puts us in the realm of intentional shootings. Right?

How could you even POSSIBLY call someone that attempts robbing/stealing/attacking/ rape/murder, or what ever other case that provokes a gun owner to pull his weapon and defend himself, an innocent?

That just flat defies logic.

I've said it before and I'll say it again...those that die because they were stopped from committing what ever crime, by a person that was armed, died because of their own actions. It's the perps fault they caused the death.

Would you call a cop a murderer for shooting an assailant when deadly force is a viable option?

Nope.


And as for only letting "properly trained" people to own weapons, most gun owners are trained and practice often.

As for the police, they have to take "sensitivity" training in order to stem the occurrences of beating the shit out of people. Not really a moniker of wholesomeness.

Are there those out there that go "postal"?
You bet. They are also jailed and stripped of their right to ever legally own a fire arm again.

They also only account for a small percentage of the deaths.

Just like people with road rage that kill others with their vehicle, you can't weed out weak minded people from owning guns.

I wish we had a good way to weed out stupid people.

We could kill two birds with one stone.

We could cleanse the gene pool by eliminating them and sharpen gun owners skills by letting them handle the executions.

By the way...
I've posted it elsewhere but for every person killed by a gun owner, there are approximately 2,500 lives SAVED by fending off the criminal with the fire arm.

[rrmommy]

I think what YOU'RE missing is that it compared ACCIDENTAL deaths at the hands of the Doctor to ACCIDENTAL deaths by gun.


Ok..since we're not talking accidental anymore, that's puts us in the realm of intentional shootings. Right?

How could you even POSSIBLY call someone that attempts robbing/stealing/attacking/ rape/murder, or what ever other case that provokes a gun owner to pull his weapon and defend himself, an innocent?

That just flat defies logic.

I've said it before and I'll say it again...those that die because they were stopped from committing what ever crime, by a person that was armed, died because of their own actions. It's the perps fault they caused the death.

Would you call a cop a murderer for shooting an assailant when deadly force is a viable option?

Nope.


And as for only letting "properly trained" people to own weapons, most gun owners are trained and practice often.

As for the police, they have to take "sensitivity" training in order to stem the occurrences of beating the shit out of people. Not really a moniker of wholesomeness.

Are there those out there that go "postal"?
You bet. They are also jailed and stripped of their right to ever legally own a fire arm again.

They also only account for a small percentage of the deaths.

Just like people with road rage that kill others with their vehicle, you can't weed out weak minded people from owning guns.

I wish we had a good way to weed out stupid people.

We could kill two birds with one stone.

We could cleanse the gene pool by eliminating them and sharpen gun owners skills by letting them handle the executions.

By the way...
I've posted it elsewhere but for every person killed by a gun owner, there are approximately 2,500 lives SAVED by fending off the criminal with the fire arm.

I'm not calling the criminals innocent...but what happens when the victim is over powered and the criminal ends up with the weapon...NOW we have a dead innocent victim and another gun ends up on the streets. Can you argue the fact that the murder rate has risen right along with uprise in gun purchases? Doesn't make me feel safer...just makes me add more locks to my doors.

[rrmommy]

And how many lives has that doctor saved? How in the world can anyone, with a sane mind, compare doctors to guns?

[4nik8]

I'm not calling the criminals innocent...but what happens when the victim is over powered and the criminal ends up with the weapon...NOW we have a dead innocent victim and another gun ends up on the streets. Can you argue the fact that the murder rate has risen right along with uprise in gun purchases? Doesn't make me feel safer...just makes me add more locks to my doors.

I can unequivocally argue that the higher the gun ownership, the higher the concealed weapons permits, the LOWER the crime rate in that area.

That's common knowledge.

Look it up if you don't believe me.

Contrary to your beliefs, criminals don't get their guns solely from stealing them.

Not even close.

Just like drugs, there's a black market. Guns are shipped in from different countries and sold illegally.
Seriously. Watch Gangland or some such show and look at the fire power these guys have. They have guns that are illegal for you or I to buy domestically.

[4nik8]

And how many lives has that doctor saved? How in the world can anyone, with a sane mind, compare doctors to guns?

How many lives have guns saved?

My point was to show the disparity between the truth about guns and the bull shit laid out about them.

You only hear about killings on the news. You never hear about the people who stopped a crime with the use of a fire arm.

That's not sensational enough (The mantra "If it bleeds it leads") and it definitely goes against the march towards banning them.

If more people were aware of how many lives were SAVED by gun owners being able to not only defend themselves but others, there wouldn't be the idiocy spouted about it by those who are feeding at the trough of anti gun propaganda.

[rrmommy]

I can unequivocally argue that the higher the gun ownership, the higher the concealed weapons permits, the LOWER the crime rate in that area.

That's common knowledge.

Look it up if you don't believe me.

Contrary to your beliefs, criminals don't get their guns solely from stealing them.

Not even close.

Just like drugs, there's a black market. Guns are shipped in from different countries and sold illegally.
Seriously. Watch Gangland or some such show and look at the fire power these guys have. They have guns that are illegal for you or I to buy domestically.

GUN CONTROL??? Where is it? Who enforces it? Makes me laugh that it took 6 hours with customs to get them to allow the cookies I bought in Lebanon. They thought they were fuckin bombs or something...lmao. But people smuggle drugs and guns and in large quantities.??? Our border control and customs suck ass

[4nik8]

GUN CONTROL??? Where is it? Who enforces it?
Ask a legal gun owner the hoops he has to jump through, the laws he better be up to date on and the worries about what will actually happen to him if he defends himself and has happened to miss a law concerning: permits, licenses, areas the gun can be carried in, locks and other measures for storage, etc etc....

For the criminals?

NO law makes a difference to them.

BAN guns if you want. THEY will still have them.

That's the crux of the problem.



Our border control and customs suck ass

No shit.

Say HOLA to the next Latino ya see that's here with no papers and paying no taxes and using our resources, hospitals, lawyers, costing money in jails, welfare........

[rrmommy]

Ask a legal gun owner the hoops he has to jump through, the laws he better be up to date on and the worries about what will actually happen to him if he defends himself and has happened to miss a law concerning: permits, licenses, areas the gun can be carried in, locks and other measures for storage, etc etc....

For the criminals?

NO law makes a difference to them.

BAN guns if you want. THEY will still have them.

That's the crux of the problem.





No shit.

Say HOLA to the next Latino ya see that's here with no papers and paying no taxes and using our resources, hospitals, lawyers, costing money in jails, welfare........

I married him...lmao. He's not Latino, but same shit!!!

[gigman]

Everything I posted was true. Deal with it as you will, but hopefully your rest helps you regain your sense of humor.

I feel much better now.:neutral:

[4nik8]

I married him...lmao. He's not Latino, but same shit!!!

He was here illegally and you made an honest man out of him?

Wait a minute. Does he know about your boyfriend?

The one you were gonna send a picture of?

[rrmommy]

Haha...nope. He was a sorry ass refugee. Better than illegal immigrant. He didn't have to sneak in...America gave him a free plane ticket, home, clothes, food, job, plus a free interest $100,000 loan to establish a business. Makes ya wish ya weren't born here...huh? We have been separated for almost 3 years. Fuckin Judge won't grant the divorce. That's okay...I like the spousal support =)