A story about people exercising their "God Given Rights"

[Stormcrow]

This should have gone in the news room, but it occurred to me that it would be better placed here.

Friday, May 29, 2009


Man Shoots Neighbors Over a Dog



Two sheriff's deputies, an 8-year-old girl and her father are recovering after being shot by a man who was angry over the death of his dog. Authorities reported yesterday that the gunfire started late Wednesday night in a community northwest of Lenoir on Grandin Road near N.C. 18. Residents in the neighborhood say Rolland Younce shot his neighbor Tony Moore and Moore's 8-year-old daughter Ashley. Younce was allegedly angry because Moore had shot and killed his dog. Neighbors say Moore shot the dog because it killed his cat. Two Caldwell County deputies were shot when they responded to the scene. Younce was killed in an exchange of gunfire with deputies. His body was found a short distance from his home. Ashley Moore was taken to Wake Forest Baptist Hospital in Winston Salem due to the seriousness of her injuries. Her father was transported to Carolinas Medical Center in Charlotte. The Moore family has asked the hospitals to withhold information on their conditions. The two deputies -- Marty Robbins and Thomas McManus -- are expected to be OK. The North Carolina State Bureau of Investigation is in charge of the investigation. Officers say Animal Control removed a dead pit bull from Younce's property. A Chihuahua, which was not harmed, was also taken from the property.

[StoneTheCrow]

Damn, just think what would have happened if somebody tried to steal his purse instead of his dog getting shot.

[Entropy]

All because people grow too attached to their pets.

Humans treat animals better than other humans.
Pathetic.

[CULPRITE_INC]

this is why and eye for an eye dont work to well.

[LEFT]

In Texas, we refer to this precess as "thin'n out the herd".

An unfortunate set of curcumstance for the Deputies though, I must say. Especial intentions for their full recovery.

ok,so

...whuts fer lunch?

[Stormcrow]

In Texas, we refer to this precess as "thin'n out the herd".

An unfortunate set of curcumstance for the Deputies though, I must say. Especial intentions for their full recovery.

ok,so

...whuts fer lunch?

I thought it was pretty unfortunate for the little girl as well.

[LEFT]

...absolutely true that my friend.

In my haste to make light humor, I was remiss in remembering this little girl. Without forgiveness, my bad.

As stooopid as this incident was from the jump, it does not reflect the condition of over all gun ownership, pitt ownership or the way most neighbors interact, especially when tragedies accurr as a result of impulsive behavior.

[Stormcrow]

As stooopid as this incident was from the jump, it does not reflect the condition of over all gun ownership, pitt ownership or the way most neighbors interact, especially when tragedies accurr as a result of impulsive behavior.

Too true, it reflects the overall condition of of gun usage to deal inappropriately with a situation. Never once did I imply that it reflected on gun ownership. There seems to be this prevailing belief that because I say "He shouldn't have done that!" about something done with a firearm that I am somehow 'anti gun'. When in fact, I am merely 'pro responsible & sensible actions'.

[4nik8]

LOL

[Stormcrow]

LOL

To which joke in this thread...? :ooh:

[4nik8]

To which joke in this thread...? :ooh:

THIS line:

"Never once did I imply that it reflected on gun ownership."

Given the title of this thread, I'm sure you can see where I found the humor.

[Stormcrow]

THIS line:

"Never once did I imply that it reflected on gun ownership."

Given the title of this thread, I'm sure you can see where I found the humor.

Nossir, that line was an allusion to your implication that shooting PEOPLE over PROPERTY was a "God Given Right" And therein lies the humor.

[LethalDose]

Officers say Animal Control removed a dead pit bull from Younce's property.

So does this mean that this Moore guy went to at least his lawn border and shot the dog in his neighbors yard ? Or did the dog make it home/Mr Younce retrieved the dog and returned with his gun ?

I can`t say that I wouldn`t do the same thing if the dog was on my property during/after the killing of kittie,God forbid.But if Mr Moore went to the neighbors yard to commit the act,then that was completely asinine.

Regardless,to start shooting humans over this is bullshit.

[StoneTheCrow]

I like me some animals myself, but I aint killing nobody over one. A good ass beatin, yeah that's another story.

[4nik8]

Nossir, that line was an allusion to your implication that shooting PEOPLE over PROPERTY was a "God Given Right" And therein lies the humor.

A 62-year-old Texas man who shot to death two men who he believed had just burglarized his neighbor’s home will not be put on trial, a grand jury determined Monday. For many people who have been watching this case closely over the past eight months, Joe Horn is a hero, who did what was necessary to defend his neighbor’s property. But for others, Horn is not only a vigilante but a ruthless killer, who without remorse shot two men in back with a 12-guage shotgun. The latter would like Horn to stand trial and ultimately be convicted and go to prison for his actions. On Nov. 14, Horn called 911 to report that someone was stealing from neighbor’s house. The dispatcher told him to stay inside, but a stubborn Horn engaged the men, eventually shooting them to death. Critics argue that had the victims been White, and not Latino, he would have been arrested – even though Texas law allows people to protect themselves with a gun, and even kill a perpetrator if they believe their life is in danger. Speaking to The Houston Chronicle Monday, Frank Ortiz, of the Pasadena , Texas , chapter of the League of United Latin American Citizens, he was the FBI to investigate. “That’s amazing that they would no-bill him with so much evidence against him,” Ortiz said. “This was no more than a vigilante.” Countered Tom Lambright, Horn’s attorney: “He wasn’t acting like a vigilante. He didn’t want to do it.” Rather, he said, a frightened Horn merely tried to defend his neighbor’s property and only fired when the two men entered his yard and threatened him. “He was scared. He was in fear of his life,” he said. Harris County District Attorney Kenneth Magidson said, “I understand the concerns of some in the community regarding Mr. Horn’s conduct. The grand jury concluded that Mr. Horn’s use of deadly force did not rise to a criminal offense.” The two victims, 38-year-old Hernando Riascos Torres and 30-year-old Diego Ortiz were jobless illegal immigrants from Colombia . Torres had been deported in 1999 after being convicted on an earlier cocaine charge.

Then laugh your ass off.

This guy killed and it was his NEIGHBORS property.

Like apples?

How about them apples?

[Stormcrow]

Then laugh your ass off.

This guy killed and it was his NEIGHBORS property.

Like apples?

How about them apples?
Laugh? I think not. "Them apples" make me sick to my stomach. The man had no right to do what he did, even by "Texas Law".

[LEFT]

that was a very big deal here

when the usual anti-ever'dern thing protesters came around to harrass him in front of his home, they were met by supporters and a few motorcycle clubs and told in no uncertain terms to go peddle crazy down the street, nobody was gonna buy it. they did. they left....

2 illegal immie burglers -0
1 legal gun owner in Texas -1

GAME OVER!

[4nik8]

Laugh? I think not. "Them apples" make me sick to my stomach. The man had no right to do what he did, even by "Texas Law".

Ahh, I thought you found my "allusion to shooting people over property" humorous.

He had no right?

The fact that they were on his property, coming at him (before they realized he had a gun) and were shot on his property, gives him that right. Even the courts upheld that right.

The part that the obviously biased author (purposely used as it fits your general position*) left out was that all this was witnessed by an off duty police officer that had just pulled up in response to the 911 call.

2 illegal shit bags (already guilty of a felony for that fact alone) were supporting themselves on the sweat of others.

They robbed to make their way instead of working.


They were caught stealing, when told to stop (as they were leaving with their ill gotten gains) turned and started towards the OLD MAN in an attempt to do great bodily harm (I'm sure...why else would they be approaching him? Congratulate him for catching them?)
What would have happened to Joe Horn had he not had the weapon? One of the perps was carrying a crow bar after all....

I'm supposed to feel bad about their deaths?

I feel sorry for their relatives. The grief they'll feel is never a good thing.
I feel sorry for the old man. That's a weight (killing someone) that'll be with him for the rest of his life.

The two illegals? Nada.

*If you notice, the fact that they were here illegally was down played (a short mention of it at the end) and the author tried to paint this as a racist situation.

Nowhere was it mentioned that his neighbors look to him as the grand fatherly type who looks out for them and their kids in the neighborhood and is the man to go to when something is needed.
Nor was it mentioned what he himself had to say about the shootings and how it made him feel.

Nope. You're just left with the feeling that there's a gun toting vigilante out there who's main goal is to kill Latino's.

[Stormcrow]

More excuses as to why property is more valuable than human life, included is the fact that they were Mexican citizens, which more than justifies their murder.

The authorities were en route. Why exactly was Mr.Horn involved in any way? Yeah, vigilantism. Bravo to the murderer, Bravo.

[4nik8]

The authorities were en route. Why exactly was Mr.Horn involved in any way? Yeah, vigilantism. Bravo to the murderer, Bravo.

Because, as usual and the main reason most thieves operate, they would get away before the law could arrive.

Good thing he was a "murderer" or it would have been him that was murdered, aye?

[Stormcrow]

Because, as usual and the main reason most thieves operate, they would get away before the law could arrive.

Good thing he was a "murderer" or it would have been him that was murdered, aye?

OR...he could have accepted that the police were on their way. His neighbors insurance should more than protect their interest. Valuables are traceable, they could have been caught when they tried to move it. No death, go figure.

[4nik8]

OR...he could have accepted that the police were on their way. His neighbors insurance should more than protect their interest. Valuables are traceable, they could have been caught when they tried to move it. No death, go figure.

Higher insurance rates for the area and 2 illegals still on the streets to plunder and kill at will.

Yeah..that's a better alternative.

Valuables are not EASILY traced. I know. I've been robbed before with the cop telling me not to expect too much and ya know what?
He was right.

[Stormcrow]

Higher insurance rates for the area and 2 illegals still on the streets to plunder and kill at will.

Yeah..that's a better alternative.

Valuables are not EASILY traced. I know. I've been robbed before with the cop telling me not to expect too much and ya know what?
He was right.

And of course, we all know that your TV is more valuable than somebody's life. Sorry to have misunderstood.

[4nik8]

And of course, we all know that your TV is more valuable than somebody's life. Sorry to have misunderstood.

No no.

I wasn't there to catch him.

Besides, the value of his life is what HE places on it.

If he doesn't wish to take his life in his hands, he'll not break into someone's home and chance it.

But, we've discussed this before.

You seem to think that any thief that only steals my shit and doesn't threaten my life deserves to get away if he's fast enough.

I think if he's caught he deserves the bullet he's begging for.
I wouldn't want to disappoint him.

[Stormcrow]

No no.

I wasn't there to catch him.

Besides, the value of his life is what HE places on it.

If he doesn't wish to take his life in his hands, he'll not break into someone's home and chance it.

But, we've discussed this before.

You seem to think that any thief that only steals my shit and doesn't threaten my life deserves to get away if he's fast enough.

I think if he's caught he deserves the bullet he's begging for.
I wouldn't want to disappoint him.

It's not about thieves.

It about you & I not being "God."

And you are right, the discussion has become quite circular.

[4nik8]

It's not about thieves.

It about you & I not being "God."



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