Doctors or Guns???

[rrmommy]

I did a lttle digging and here are statistics for 2006.




National Center for Injury Prevention and Control




2006, United States
Firearm Deaths and Rates per 100,000
All Races, Both Sexes, All Ages


# of deaths:30,896 US Population:298,754,819 Crude rate:10.34



2006, United States
Adverse effects - Medical care Deaths and Rates per 100,000
All Races, Both Sexes, All Ages



# of deaths: 2,172 US Population: 298,754,819 Crude Rate: 0.73


No Comparison!!!

[4nik8]

I did a lttle digging and here are statistics for 2006.




National Center for Injury Prevention and Control




2006, United States
Firearm Deaths and Rates per 100,000
All Races, Both Sexes, All Ages


# of deaths:30,896 US Population:298,754,819 Crude rate:10.34



2006, United States
Adverse effects - Medical care Deaths and Rates per 100,000
All Races, Both Sexes, All Ages



# of deaths: 2,172 US Population: 298,754,819 Crude Rate: 0.73


No Comparison!!!

Now. I haven't had time to check all these statistics, where they get them from or their bias...but, given the one that jumped out at me right away, I'd say their "statistics" are subjective....at best.




Firearm suicides

* Number of deaths: 16,883
* Deaths per 100,000 population: 5.6

There goes half of the %.

But, now we're lumping ALL fire arm deaths in with accidental occurrences in the hospital.

That includes, obviously, suicide, nut jobs and gang related shootings along with those of the responsible owners.

It'd be nice if I could find the % of nut jobs going on killing sprees and gang related shootings, subtract them from the total number and see what we come up with........

[4nik8]

Hmm...from the same site:

Firearm homicides

* Number of deaths: 12,791
* Deaths per 100,000 population: 4.3


http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm

[rrmommy]

It does not matter why the gun went off...point is that it did and that many people were killed in 1 year. Showing the suicide rate...not helping your case...Most of those people would still be alive if not for access to guns. Much harder to stab yourself 20 times than pull 1 trigger. How many deaths were children playing with them? You already showed the homocide rate? And our country focuses their time on protection from terrorism...check the death toll yearly from that!!! ZERO!!! Our freedoms are killing us. Check the crime rates for other countries. Looks like the land of the free is doing something wrong =(

[Stormcrow]

Our freedoms are killing us.

:ooh:

[rrmommy]

:ooh:

Ya didn't like that?

We are called "the land of the free". Then why is it that with all of our freedoms, modern technology, and superior medical abilities...that we still maintain 1 of the highest percentages of deaths yearly? I'll tell ya what...in those "not free" countries...people don't lock their doors. They don't fear their neighbors. Crimes are practically unheard of. So what if they CAN'T go in the streets and say fuck the president...they CAN sleep sound every night...feeling SAFE!!! In our "land of the free"...we may be safe from the rest of the world...but we fear our brothers.

[Stormcrow]

Ya didn't like that?

We are called "the land of the free". Then why is it that with all of our freedoms, modern technology, and superior medical abilities...that we still maintain 1 of the highest percentages of deaths yearly? I'll tell ya what...in those "not free" countries...people don't lock their doors. They don't fear their neighbors. Crimes are practically unheard of. So what if they CAN'T go in the streets and say fuck the president...they CAN sleep sound every night...feeling SAFE!!! In our "land of the free"...we may be safe from the rest of the world...but we fear our brothers.

I fear nobody. I do sleep soundly at night. And guess what? I don't lock my door too very often.

[rrmommy]

That's cause ya live in the sticks...I say if somebody has the energy to walk up your hill/yard...they have earned all your possessions...lmao

I spent years hearing gunshots and screams every night & it wasn't even the bad end of Detroit. We had a gun in our home and it scared the shit out of me. I was afraid the kids would get it...and scared that even if I pulled the trigger at an intruder....what if I missed or the gun jammed. NOW We would all be killed...and he may have just wanted some money and had no intentions of hurting anyone...oops...too late now!!!

[4nik8]

It does not matter why the gun went off...point is that it did and that many people were killed in 1 year. Showing the suicide rate...not helping your case...Most of those people would still be alive if not for access to guns. Much harder to stab yourself 20 times than pull 1 trigger.

Really?

Suffocation suicides

* Number of deaths: 7,491
* Deaths per 100,000 population: 2.5

Poisoning suicides

* Number of deaths: 6,109
* Deaths per 100,000 population: 2.0


I notice the lack of data for:
high dives
sliced wrists
over doses
etc etc.







How many deaths were children playing with them? You already showed the homocide rate? And our country focuses their time on protection from terrorism...check the death toll yearly from that!!! ZERO!!! Our freedoms are killing us. Check the crime rates for other countries. Looks like the land of the free is doing something wrong =(

YOU better check the data
Countries that have outlawed fire arms have a higher per capita homicide rate, along with violent crimes and crime against persons in general.

OUR FREEDOMS ARE KILLING US?

Honey, you've lost it now.

[rrmommy]

YOU better check the data
Countries that have outlawed fire arms have a higher per capita homicide rate, along with violent crimes and crime against persons in general.

OUR FREEDOMS ARE KILLING US?

Honey, you've lost it now.

Really???

Maybe the countires that are having internal wars right now...show me facts. I have travelled alot and find that very hard to believe!

[4nik8]

Really???

Maybe the countires that are having internal wars right now...show me facts. I have travelled alot and find that very hard to believe!


Just a quickie while I look for actual data.

We all know guns were banned in England, right?

No guns equals no crime....in your opinion, right?

On a June evening two years ago, Dan Rather made many stiff British upper lips quiver by reporting that England had a crime problem and that, apart from murder, "theirs is worse than ours." The response was swift and sharp. "Have a Nice Daydream," The Mirror, a London daily, shot back, reporting: "Britain reacted with fury and disbelief last night to claims by American newsmen that crime and violence are worse here than in the US." But sandwiched between the article's battery of official denials -- "totally misleading," "a huge over-simplification," "astounding and outrageous" -- and a compilation of lurid crimes from "the wild west culture on the other side of the Atlantic where every other car is carrying a gun," The Mirror conceded that the CBS anchorman was correct. Except for murder and rape, it admitted, "Britain has overtaken the US for all major crimes."

The rest of the story---> http://www.reason.com/news/show/28582.html

[rrmommy]

Except for murder and rape, it admitted, "Britain has overtaken the US for all major crimes."

hmmm...your quote! Murder is a biggie. It's the crime i fear the most!

[4nik8]

Just a little something else I found:

Information Connection: Effects of Australia's Gun Ban
Summary of first-year results (1999):

* Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent
* Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent
* Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)

In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. (Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not and criminals still possess their guns!)

Even a moron can see that an anti-gun position is a pro-crime position. Are you voting for politicians who want to help criminals hurt you?

[rrmommy]

Just a little something else I found:

I vote democratic...I hated the Bush Years enough to decide that I hate republicans and don't want them making my tomorrow.......

I'm gonna do some digging too. Just a bit lazy right now and busy wrapping presents. My boy turns 3 tomorrow =) I have a feeling you are ignoring results you don't like and only showing the 1s that reflect ur point of view!

[4nik8]

SOURCE
Seventh United Nations Survey of Crime Trends and Operations of Criminal Justice Systems, covering the period 1998 - 2000 (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Centre for International Crime Prevention)


Per capita figures expressed per 1,000 population.
Crime Statistics > Murders (per capita) (most recent) by country





# 1 Colombia: 0.617847 per 1,000 people
# 2 South Africa: 0.496008 per 1,000 people
# 3 Jamaica: 0.324196 per 1,000 people
# 4 Venezuela: 0.316138 per 1,000 people
# 5 Russia: 0.201534 per 1,000 people
# 6 Mexico: 0.130213 per 1,000 people
# 7 Estonia: 0.107277 per 1,000 people
# 8 Latvia: 0.10393 per 1,000 people
# 9 Lithuania: 0.102863 per 1,000 people
# 10 Belarus: 0.0983495 per 1,000 people
# 11 Ukraine: 0.094006 per 1,000 people
# 12 Papua New Guinea: 0.0838593 per 1,000 people
# 13 Kyrgyzstan: 0.0802565 per 1,000 people
# 14 Thailand: 0.0800798 per 1,000 people
# 15 Moldova: 0.0781145 per 1,000 people
# 16 Zimbabwe: 0.0749938 per 1,000 people
# 17 Seychelles: 0.0739025 per 1,000 people
# 18 Zambia: 0.070769 per 1,000 people
# 19 Costa Rica: 0.061006 per 1,000 people
# 20 Poland: 0.0562789 per 1,000 people
# 21 Georgia: 0.0511011 per 1,000 people
# 22 Uruguay: 0.045082 per 1,000 people
# 23 Bulgaria: 0.0445638 per 1,000 people
# 24 United States: 0.042802 per 1,000 people


We're ranked 24th.

I guess the land of the free ain't so bad after all?

[4nik8]

I vote democratic...I hated the Bush Years enough to decide that I hate republicans and don't want them making my tomorrow.......

If you honestly believe there really is a difference in our government between the two parties, you have a LOT of researching to do.

They're two sides of the same coin working towards a common goal. The eradication of the middle class and establishing a world government for the betterment of Corporation Conglomerates.

I'm gonna do some digging too. Just a bit lazy right now and busy wrapping presents. My boy turns 3 tomorrow =)

Congratulations!!!




I have a feeling you are ignoring results you don't like and only showing the 1s that reflect ur point of view!

Now that's a shitty thing to say. I usually leave links to my references so people can check them out. It keeps me honest.

[rrmommy]

what is the list for?

[4nik8]

what is the list for?


I'm sorry. I forgot to put the header...its a listing of countries with the highest, per capita, homicide rate.

[rrmommy]

If you honestly believe there really is a difference in our government between the two parties, you have a LOT of researching to do.

They're two sides of the same coin working towards a common goal. The eradication of the middle class and establishing a world government for the betterment of Corporation Conglomerates.



Congratulations!!!






Now that's a shitty thing to say. I usually leave links to my references so people can check them out. It keeps me honest.

I don't really get into politics...I know I should...I'm more into current events of the world. I think all poloticians lie and cheat and I base my opinions on what actually happens and change for the better. I don't listen to their broken ideas & promises. They can all say they want to change America, but I think they just like the pay and the power

[4nik8]

I don't really get into politics...I know I should...I'm more into current events of the world. I think all poloticians lie and cheat and I base my opinions on what actually happens and change for the better. I don't listen to their broken ideas & promises. They can all say they want to change America, but I think they just like the pay and the power

There's hope for you yet.

The biggest lie politicians are guilty of is not telling the whole truth.

Look into the European Union. See how the citizens of England were tricked into membership in that. See how pissed they are about it and all the sovereignty they are losing.

Our country is even MORE devious.
They know Americans would never stand for giving up our flag, our freedoms, our legal system and willingly support Mexico (through taxes and rewards). They (the shadow government--the guys with the money that REALLY run this country) are circumventing our Congress by not making it (the SPP) a treaty (and subject to a vote by the people) and are calling it a "partnership" which is not subject to Americans thoughts on it.

Look into the North American Union. That's what the SPP will evolve into.

Sitting back watching our demise mirror the European Union (just on a MUCH faster track) is one of the most frustrating things for me to see.
Most Americans are blissfully unaware of what's even happening.

Wanna know why I think the push is on for "gun control" and why I fight it tooth and nail?

Because a people who have no fire arms are a people who can't protect themselves. From enemies foreign or domestic. Be they criminals or Politicians (I know..same thing)

I'm feeding you meat when you should be getting baby's milk.........

[4nik8]

Crime Statistics > Total crimes (per capita) (most recent) by country


Showing latest available data.
Rank Countries Amount
# 1 Dominica: 113.822 per 1,000 people
# 2 New Zealand: 105.881 per 1,000 people
# 3 Finland: 101.526 per 1,000 people
# 4 Denmark: 92.8277 per 1,000 people
# 5 Chile: 88.226 per 1,000 people
# 6 United Kingdom: 85.5517 per 1,000 people
# 7 Montserrat: 80.3982 per 1,000 people
# 8 United States: 80.0645 per 1,000 people

Damn. I'm not sure about the other countries, but I know guns are banned in the UK.

[4nik8]

Something else I found that tickled me:


Are there fewer gun deaths in countries that ban guns?

Actually, we're finding that there are more deaths in countries that ban guns. And England is experiencing that very problem right now, something that I predicted when I debated one of their parliamentarians right before the gun ban was made law. And I told him based on our experience where we make it easier for people to have guns for self defense by your confiscating virtually all the guns in England, you're going to make it so criminals will have an easier time of it. And you're going to see your crime go up and of course he didn't agree with that. But now we know. The UN has found that England is the most violent of all of the industrialized countries in the world and their murder rate is rapidly rising. They have a terrible problem with crime being committed with guns and with knives. Crime is definitely on the rise, violent crime generally has just skyrocketed beyond anything that we would tolerate here in the United States, but then we shoot criminals here. They can't do that over there.

[4nik8]

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The 6 Most Terrifying Medical Malpractice Cases Ever
By Ian Fortey June 4, 2009 298,725 views
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Any trip to the doctor's office involves a fairly straightforward trade off: you hand over your personal safety to the guy who went to school for eight years, and they fix something that you wouldn't have the first clue how to do yourself. But as in every profession, some doctors are better than others, and even good doctors have bad days.

And then, there are those doctors who go out of their way to find creative ways to make the world a terrifying place.
#6.
"Sir, I'm afraid we inadvertently obliterated your penis."

A patient named William Morrison underwent a screening that required his penis be washed in a solution of three to five percent acetic acid. Sure, just typing the words "acid" and "penis" in the same sentence makes us cringe. But that doesn't mean anything could possibly go wrong there, right? Hell, a three to five percent solution probably feels kind of tingly and refreshing, like when you wash your sack in a bowl of ginger ale.

When it came time actually wash his wang, however, Mr. Morrison got a 72 percent solution, which is a little more like having your dick immersed in a piranha's mouth, after it's been drinking 72 percent acid.


But that's a one-in-a-million scenario, right? Surely health care professionals normally take way more care when a man's dong is on the line.

Not in the case of Mexican doctor, Francisco Javier Valentin y Ortiz who, despite having a wicked matador name, was not great with sharp objects, and cut off a patient's penis during a routine circumcision. We like to think Dr. Ortiz muttered "Oh geez," scratched his head then tried to put the severed penis into the patient's ballsack, kind of like a tulip in a vase, in the hopes the guy wouldn't notice.


But those two are cases are only runners up in the medical world's penis mutilation Olympics. Our gold medalist is Romanian doctor, Naum Ciomu. He separated himself from the pack when he was performing an operation to correct some poor dude's weird, bulgy nutsack. Due to the various stresses of being a guy who has to perform delicate surgeries on weird, bulgy nutsacks all day, he lost his shit and cut off the patient's dick with a scalpel, put it on the operating table and furiously hacked it into tiny pieces in front of the nursing staff. They were apparently too busy trying to think of a more succinct way to say "What the fuck is going on?" to stop him.

Ciomu said he had a temporary loss of judgment, due to some personal problems. You know, kind of like how you get really mad sometimes and punch a wall. It was like that, only he hacked a man's penis to confetti. He ended up having his license suspended and he was ordered to pay the patient 120,000 pounds while the patient got a shiny new non-functional wang made from arm skin.


Repairing the fender of a Ferrari. Equal value of a single dong.
#5.
Sexual Healing

Mental health can be a tricky subject. For instance, if you see a psychiatrist, the first task is making sure they're not crazier than you are. One way to tell is if the psychiatrist, for instance, demands that you start calling them "mother."


Which brings us to Harvard Medical School psychiatrist, Margaret Bean-Bayog, whose last name is lesser known slang for burrito-induced Montezuma's revenge. She was treating a student at the school who came to her because he was feeling lonely. According to the good doctor, the patient had suffered severe childhood abuse and was now hooked on drugs and alcohol as well as dealing with overwhelming anxiety, rage and sociopathic tendencies. That was strange, because no previous doctor had managed to detect any of these things in the poor kid.

The course of treatment was exactly what you'd suspect given the young man's poor mental health: several thousand pages of sadomasochistic fantasies written by the doctor, and an extensive effort to brainwash him into believing he was a child and that the doctor was his mother.


The doctor wrote flash cards for her patient with instructions to read them 10 times a day until he believed them, chock full of important mental health slogans like "I'm your Mom and I love you and you love me very very much." Presumably other cards read "Fill you anus with applesauce and learn kung fu" and "Every episode of House follows the same pattern... because of Jews."


Because of Jews.

Hey, did we mention that the rest of her medical advice amounted to "let me use your boner like a carnival ride"?

The patient's family filed suit against the doctor after the patient killed himself. And while the doctor conceded her treatment was "unconventional," she denied she did anything wrong. Presumably she then shat in a coffee cup and accused it of spying on her.
#4.
Vagina Reconstruction, of the Involuntary Variety

If a doctor ever promises to turn you and others into "horny little mice," you should probably just go home and take some Tylenol instead of spending any additional time with him. However, it seems a lot of people turned a blind eye to Dr. James Burt for a number of years, allowing him to perform reconstructive surgery on women's vaginas--which probably sounds like a perfectly normal thing for a doctor to do... until you realize the women didn't ask him to do it.

Burt even wrote a book called The Surgery of Love, in 1975, about the operations he performed on many women--without their consent. He was at least thoughtful enough to do it after the birth of children so he could explain away the stitches as a result of the delivery.


While he had them on the table he would tinker around with their anatomy, removing some things, even repositioning the vagina, urethra and alter the walls between the vagina and rectum in order to "increase sexual responsiveness." Again, why no one stopped him while he was cutting and probably muttering things like, "you're welcome, Mommy" is anyone's guess. Apparently if you're wearing surgical scrubs everybody just assumes you're on the level.


More often than not, the unwanted surgeries caused extensive damages and required additional surgeries to correct the problems. Twelve malpractice suits against the doctor were dropped over the years when other doctors he worked with refused to testify against him, presumably convincing the man his Frankenvaginas were totally kosher.


It's claimed he performed the procedure on around 2,000 women and when the Ohio State Medical Board finally caught up with him, they made him voluntarily surrender his license , a punishment which is known in legal circles as "bullshit."
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#3.
Group Therapy for 120 Personalities

If you're a Hollywood screenwriter, or a horrible, horrible doctor, the most convenient of all mental disorders is multiple personality disorder. In Wisconsin, psychiatrist Kenneth Olson hit the motherload when he convinced a patient she had 120 separate personalities. And these weren't all just sissy personalities like "sociopathic killer" or "sexually promiscuous narcoleptic," either. She also had the personalities of a duck and the devil. Please take a moment to figure out which one you personally feel is more fucked up.


The doctor also admitted to having performed an exorcism on her, a course of treatment he thought necessary based on his diagnosis that she was a bride of Satan after having been ritually raped by upwards to 70 men and animals. After watching several reruns of Frasier, we're fairly confident this sort of mental health diagnosis is very rare.


We're sure Kelsey Grammar has a Ph.D. in something.

Faced with the daunting task of treating so many personalities, and lord knows duck psychiatry is a niche market, Dr. Olson did what any irresponsible doctor would: He charged all 120 for treatment and billed Blue Cross for $300,000. Inexplicably, after this, and performing an exorcism on the woman, the good doctor ended up in court where she won a $2.4 million settlement against him. However, if you feel yourself being tormented by devil ducks any time soon, Dr. Olsen still has a practice in Montana and will likely be happy to see to your mental health needs.
#2.
Screwdriver Spine

Look, we all admire MacGuyver. And we hope that when faced with some impossible situation in the future, we'll be able to cobble together a nice solution out of random shit we have lying around.

But you know who you probably don't want doing that kind of on-the-fly improvisation? The surgeon who's working on your spine. That's one case where you'd pretty much like them to have that shit planned out ahead of time, in some detail.

In 2001, Arturo Iturralde was supposed to have a pair of titanium rods installed in his back (perhaps as part of a slow transition into cyborg assassin). However, once his back was flopping wide open on the table, Iturralde's surgeon noticed that the rods were missing. Using quick thinking, the surgeon used the next best thing he could find: a screwdriver.


After a quick hacksaw job to cut off the handle (because, you know, the handle part isn't medically sound) he jammed the tool in Iturralde's back, presumably with a handful of finishing nails and some copper wire. Unsurprisingly, Sears doesn't make their screwdrivers medical grade and it snapped a few days later, forcing Iturralde to endure several more surgeries.


The next best thing.

The end result was the doctor and the hospital being on the hook for $5.6 million. Really, it sucks that the hospital had to pay, because how could they have known? Oh, wait, because the guy had already had his license suspended in two other states.
#1.
Dr. Batshit

Donald Dudley claimed to be a doctor. He also claimed to be a member of the CIA and someone who controlled the entire world, which you will recognize as impeccable credentials if you are crazy. Since Dudley was himself crazier than a shithouse rat, he and his imaginary position with the CIA made him capable of treating a 30-year-old autistic man named Stephen Drummond who had a seizure disorder.


The actual King of the World.

As you might expect, part of his new therapy at the hands of Dudley was to get injected with sodium amytal, have part of his brain erased through the use of hypnotic suggestion and drugs that made him psychotic and delusional. That's just good old fashioned imaginary CIA doctoring right there.

But Dudley really set himself apart when he used his influence over Drummond to train him to be part of the doctor's army that would one day take over all the schools, hospitals and police. Likely this last part was not covered by insurance.


Donald Dudley's credentials

Dudley, whose medical license had been suspended after he was diagnosed as bipolar some years earlier, apparently had a long list of "experimental" treatments on his resume. He once instructed a patient with chronic fatigue syndrome to use martial arts and guns to relax. He was also once found by police in a hotel room with a 15-year-old boy and a small arsenal of guns. Oh, and he believed he was from another planet.


Gun Therapy worked for Hunter S. Thompson. Sort of.

The doctor died (or went back to his home planet) before he could be brought to trial for his malpractice. However insurance ended up paying $2 million to Drummond's family. Meanwhile, somewhere out there an army of rain men and really sleepy ninjas await word from their master to storm local hospitals.

[Deems]

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