Abortion

[4nik8]

All this talk about murder lately has raised a question for me.

Abortion.

How is that not killing?
Why should women, other than to save their own lives, have the right o kill another human being because it's presence may inconvenience them?

How is it that when a pregnant woman is murdered, the killer is charged with double homicide, because of the fetus, but when a doctor performs an abortion it's called a medical procedure.

What are your thoughts on this?



DO NOT HIJACK.

[StoneTheCrow]

Blame it on the slick tongued lawyers, they have butchered our constitution so much that is bastardized to the point that I think they are more dangerous than any gun ever made.

[CULPRITE_INC]

The way i see it, Earlie term abortions (before fetuse forms) are not killing, because they are not even really there yet. As for the anti abortion douche bags that flash these late term abortions witch are wrong.

[theresa_k3]

According to Merriam Webster the definition of killing is to deprive of life; cause the death of. So according to that definition abortion would be killing also. I think that abortion should not be done unless it is endangering the life of the woman or in case of rape. There are some women who say it is their body and they should have a choice, but it takes two to make the baby so both parties need to be involved and not only that but most importantly, an abortion is taking the life of an unborn child, and they are not given the choice if they wanted to live or die. If a person did not want a baby then they should not be doing things to have one. Children are a precious gift. There are so many out there who would love to have a child but can't.

[TOAO]

It is a woman's choice, they are the one's who deal with it. A guy shouldn't be able to make the choice unless they make non-support punishable by death.
Picture yourself having a kid about 8 months from now nik. This is all the warning you have.

And nothing is stopping you from adopting one either.

I'm not saying it is a choice I would make, but abortion is legal. If you don't believe in abortion, don't get one.

[gigman]

The way i see it, Earlie term abortions (before fetuse forms) are not killing, because they are not even really there yet. As for the anti abortion douche bags that flash these late term abortions witch are wrong.It's still the same dumbass. A baby is a baby regardless of its size or form. Just like you young liberals.
It's not just killing either, it's flat out MURDER!:neutral:

[gigman]

It is a woman's choice, they are the one's who deal with it. A guy shouldn't be able to make the choice unless they make non-support punishable by death.
Picture yourself having a kid about 8 months from now nik. This is all the warning you have.

And nothing is stopping you from adopting one either.

I'm not saying it is a choice I would make, but abortion is legal. If you don't believe in abortion, don't get one.A woman doesn't have a right to murder because of an inconvenience. It's not about her pathetic body. It's about life.
If you have kids, look at them. What if some sick bitch decided that they were an inconvenience and murdered them before birth. You wouldn't have had the joy of being blessed with them.
Use your fucking head TOAO.:neutral:

[Pupperoni]

In 8 weeks after conception the brand new human being's body has already begun to form. YouTube - From Conception to Birth

At 25 weeks following conception the small child, while still in his or her mother's uterus already has the ability to move their hands, arms, and all extremities.

Watch the short video as it covers 9 months of a human being's creation in only 4 1/2 minutes.

Should we punish a mother and a licensed doctor who helps her to abort her pregnancy?
Probably not.

A 14 year old child is on trial for murder in my home town right now. He shot and killed his father while the man slept on the couch. The boy is being held in an adult jail and will be tried as an adult.

The child is small, has a baby face and looks like he might be 12 years old. His parents are divorced and his mother had custody of him when he killed his father, but she was in the mental hospital at the time so he was staying with his father.

Turns out dad was a pedophile and had been sexually abusing his son for years. Mom has been mentally ill all the child's life and in and out of mental hospitals for the same amount of time. The boy is quiet, keeps to himself, trusts no one (why should he?) and has no friends.

Now, "The Baby Faced Killer," as Good Morning America has dubbed him, at 14 years of age is in an adult jail and is charged with 1st degree murder.

Rather than being in prison for the rest of his life with the scum of the earth raping him several times a day, I imagine it would have been better for him had his mother had an abortion.

[Buddy]

Rather than being in prison for the rest of his life with the scum of the earth raping him several times a day, I imagine it would have been better for him had his mother had an abortion.

oy vey...And just how were they supposed to determine at the fetal stage that this kid was going to be a killer?

[Blood]

To me abortion is just another way of not talking accountability for your actions.
Unless it's in extreme cases like rape or incest that is.
There are more than enough forms of protection out there that we shouldn't have to resort to abortion.

But i know quite a few ladies (ha!) that use it as a regular form of birth control.
That's the kind of shit that sickens me to no end.

What really pisses me off is how many people are dieing to have children but can't but yet all of these unplanned babies are just getting thrown away. To me, that's just wasteful.

But then again we live in a very selfish society, it's bred in people at a early age to live as selfishly as possible because that's the only way to be happy.

It's simple, if you don't want kids you get your wiener snipped or tie your tubes. Or if you want them at a later more convenient date you better stalk up on protection like it's going out of style. There is no excuse otherwise. People that can't get their hands on the proper protection don't have any business fooling around period.

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[Cayce]

I dont necessarily think its an okay thing, but in some really fucked up situations I guess I dont think it should be looked down on.
They should make a list of requirements that the women have to meet before they can do it and charge WAY more money to have it done, then maybe more women would stop doing it and start using their heads before they even got pregnant in the first place.
And uhh what Blood said lol

[TOAO]

It takes two people to get pregnant. It's easy for a guy to say she has to keep it.

Like I said, there is nothing stopping you from adopting one. Now the kid is going to be here in 7 months, 29 days.

If a baby is a baby at any stage, that means you kill several million of them every time you spank it.

[4nik8]

If a baby is a baby at any stage, that means you kill several million of them every time you spank it.

Sperm down a drain or eggs flushed out during menses are not babies.

Once the eggs is fertilized and a zygote is formed, now you have life.
Let's not confuse the issue.


Abortion is nothing less than murder no matter what the excuse to have it performed.

I can see the need to weigh the fetus' life against the mothers if her health is in danger. I can also see a case for it if there's the strong possibility that the child may be born with serious defects, depriving him/her of the possibility of a "normal" life.

Rape I'm still on the fence about. I've heard women argue for and against abortion in that case.
The baby didn't commit the act and doesn't deserve the death penalty for it. It can always be given up for adoption and have a chance at life

There are women that say it would be cruel to the "mother" because she would have a daily reminder of the rape.

To them I say, how about the guy who accidentally got a woman pregnant? (condom broke, pill failed, semen soaked through underwear from "dry humping ~ hey it happens)
He has a daily reminder of the rest of his life being forever changed as well. And he doesn't have the option of "opting out" the way a woman does.


Speaking of which:

It takes two people to get pregnant. It's easy for a guy to say she has to keep it.

It's hardly likely that a chick will stay pregnant just because a man wants the kid.
Conversely, should the woman decide to keep it and the man is against the idea, what's his recourse?

A man can't just abort his responsibilities. He'll have that kid in this world expecting a father for the rest of his life. Not to mention the financial responsibilities that go along with it.

Again, I'm not talking about a half wit screwing with abandon. I'm talking about the outside exceptions that result in pregnancy.

[Cayce]

Rape I'm still on the fence about. I've heard women argue for and against abortion in that case.
The baby didn't commit the act and doesn't deserve the death penalty for it. It can always be given up for adoption and have a chance at life

There are women that say it would be cruel to the "mother" because she would have a daily reminder of the rape.



If you were a woman in that situation you would probably feel differently about it. Alot of women would like to have the baby and just give it away but Im almost positive thats alot easier said than done. Im not saying I think its okay to kill infants but like I said, in certain really fucked up situations I think women SHOULD have a choice.

[4nik8]

If you were a woman in that situation you would probably feel differently about it. Alot of women would like to have the baby and just give it away but Im almost positive thats alot easier said than done. Im not saying I think its okay to kill infants but like I said, in certain really fucked up situations I think women SHOULD have a choice.

Is one type of rape worse than another that would make the decision for abortion more.....palatable?

There may be varying degrees, multiple rapists, incest etc, but isn't rape, rape?

[Deems]

All this talk about murder lately has raised a question for me.

Abortion.

How is that not killing?
Why should women, other than to save their own lives, have the right o kill another human being because it's presence may inconvenience them?

How is it that when a pregnant woman is murdered, the killer is charged with double homicide, because of the fetus, but when a doctor performs an abortion it's called a medical procedure.

What are your thoughts on this?




DO NOT HIJACK.




I dont care... just make a choice,have it done by a pro, not the back alley butcher.

I dont think you can be charged with double homocide by killing a prego. If you can, than the baby must be in the third trimester. This must be a state law? There is no federal law that prego's fall under to my knowledge.

This brings to light.. another issue.
What is life?
if murder is taking(killing)a life.... and some say abortion is murder.... what constitutes life?
is it when you draw your first breath, is that when you become alive?
or is it when your still developing? if your developing... and you die... there is no name for you . You do not have a funeral service, your medical waste.
In a way..your a growing parasite upon your host mommy.
So... what is alive?

Another point.. can the embryo/zygote/fetus/baby feel pain? If so,how does that differ with circumcision? There are no pain killers for this.. and the answer I get is that they are too young to remember the pain. So if you perform a quick roto-rooter abortion, or a circumcision... does the pain matter if they dont have the mental capacity to either understand or remember pain?

[TOAO]

So has anyone decided to abopt a baby yet?


It's always so much easier when it involves someone else.

[Blood]

So has anyone decided to abopt a baby yet?


It's always so much easier when it involves someone else.

Actually it's funny you should mention that. I was talking to my fella about it a few weeks ago and he said in a few years when we are more stable that we should adopt either a baby (wishful thinking)or a slightly older kid like 10 - 14 years old.

I've always wanted to adopt rather than have kids of my own so I'm pretty excited about it.

[4nik8]

I dont care... just make a choice,have it done by a pro, not the back alley butcher.

I dont think you can be charged with double homocide by killing a prego. If you can, than the baby must be in the third trimester. This must be a state law? There is no federal law that prego's fall under to my knowledge.

Here's what I found:
In fact, many abortion rights groups, feminist organizations and domestic violence associations opposed the California law that makes it a crime to kill a fetus, a law that's on the books in some form in 22 other states. But the apparent united front among these activists masks internal dissent about what positions these groups should take on laws that increase penalties for attacks on pregnant women. And the question is asked by both sides: Can pro-choice activists support laws that demand higher penalties for killing a fetus at the same time they call for a woman's right to terminate a pregnancy?



This brings to light.. another issue.
What is life?
if murder is taking(killing)a life.... and some say abortion is murder.... what constitutes life?
is it when you draw your first breath, is that when you become alive?
or is it when your still developing? if your developing... and you die... there is no name for you . You do not have a funeral service, your medical waste.
In a way..your a growing parasite upon your host mommy.
So... what is alive?

Life, IMHO, begins at conception.
Abortion is absolutely murder. No question about it.
Although that's true, humans develop in a parasitic fashion, that makes them no less human.

Another point.. can the embryo/zygote/fetus/baby feel pain? If so,how does that differ with circumcision? There are no pain killers for this.. and the answer I get is that they are too young to remember the pain. So if you perform a quick roto-rooter abortion, or a circumcision... does the pain matter if they dont have the mental capacity to either understand or remember pain?

I don't know of anyone that's asked one if they feel pain but I'd have to say that, yes. They can feel pain. If you can get a reaction (kicking) by poking the belly, how could there not be evidence of the fetus feeling?

I've see them writhe and flip out when injected with a salt solution.
(My mother is staunchly anti-abortion and is key to my education on the horrors that are abortion)

Second trimester abortions are often by salt poisoning. A long needle is inserted through the abdomen and a solution of concentrated salt is injected directly into the amniotic sac. The child breathes in the salt solution and is poisoned by it. The concentrated saline solution burns off the outer layer of the baby's skin and brain hemorrhages are frequent. It takes about one hour for the child to slowly die by this method. Approximately one day later the woman goes into labor and delivers a dead baby.


Except where the mothers life would be at risk, in my opinion, there is absolutely no justification for this:

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[gigman]

People just don't like reality nik.

[TOAO]

Yeah, you're right, people don't like reality.

they can't face the "reality" that the majority of people don't share your beliefs or morals and that abortion is legal. So instead of facing reality, they bomb clinics, kill doctors, whine continually, etc.


So have you started the adoption paperwork yet? The kid is going to be here in 7 months, 27 days.

[rrmommy]

Abortion is murder.

At 4 weeks a "fetus"s heart starts beating. Most women do not even know they are pregnant at that point....So make all the reasons and excuses ya want...Heartbeat=living thing. So abortion=murder

The ONLY right reason to terminate a pregnancy is to save the life of the mother. I can understand people's stance with rape and what not....but adoption is always an alternative. I think people use abortion as their birth control method these days. Local planned parenthoods are expected to offer it as a free service very soon. The other prime choice is the morning after pill...What happened to good ole...keep your legs closed?

Everyone is talking about women's rights...what about the men's rights. I know that it is us women that carry the child for 9 months and then give birth...but that's the easy part. What about the rest of the child's life? Women get to terminate pregnancy no matter what the baby's father wants. I think that's wrong. Women are not the only good single parents out there. Men should get a choice too. They should have rights to their child from conception. 9 months is not that big of a sacrifice! We have been blessed with the ability to bring life into this world. As a mother, I don't remember a more joyous time in my life. The pregnancy is beautiful and the labor/birth was the most unforgettable/happiest moment in my life =)

Rather you make the choice to keep the child or not...it's life depends on you. I think if abortion was worded differently or looked down upon in our country...many women would choose life! Maybe do an ultrasound 1st. Let the mother see her baby move...hear it's heart beat. Then ask her if she still wants to kill her baby(not fetus, not terminate pregnancy...but kill her baby) little change in words makes it a completely different decision!!!

[rrmommy]

Actually it's funny you should mention that. I was talking to my fella about it a few weeks ago and he said in a few years when we are more stable that we should adopt either a baby (wishful thinking)or a slightly older kid like 10 - 14 years old.

I've always wanted to adopt rather than have kids of my own so I'm pretty excited about it.

Thank god for people with open hearts like yours. It's what makes our world beautiful =)

[4nik8]

Yeah, you're right, people don't like reality.

they can't face the "reality" that the majority of people don't share your beliefs or morals and that abortion is legal. So instead of facing reality, they bomb clinics, kill doctors, whine continually, etc.


So have you started the adoption paperwork yet? The kid is going to be here in 7 months, 27 days.


What kid is going to be here and as far as adoption goes....my parents adopted 5 kids.

How's that fit into your theory?

As far as late term abortion's being "legal"...the Supreme Court ruled that they are unlawful unless the woman's health is at stake.


The fact that forty-one states now have laws restricting post-viability abortions kinda blows your "the majority of people don't share your beliefs or morals" argument out of the water.

Apparently, he practices in one of the few fucked up states that think it's better to kill a child that is viable than put it up for adoption.

Seriously, except for health dangers, why carry the fucking thing to the third trimester and then MURDER the mother fucker?

What's another month to give birth and put up for adoption what she's been carrying for EIGHT months already?

[4nik8]

Abortion is murder.


The ONLY right reason to terminate a pregnancy is to save the life of the mother.


Everyone is talking about women's rights...what about the men's rights?

Women get to terminate pregnancy no matter what the baby's father wants. I think that's wrong.


Lady.

You're quickly moving up on my list of people I respect.
Not just that men's rights were mentioned but the fact that a female would bring that up is amazing.

[Deems]

Here's what I found:

Life, IMHO, begins at conception.
Abortion is absolutely murder. No question about it.
Although that's true, humans develop in a parasitic fashion, that makes them no less human.

I don't know of anyone that's asked one if they feel pain but I'd have to say that, yes. They can feel pain. If you can get a reaction (kicking) by poking the belly, how could there not be evidence of the fetus feeling?

I've see them writhe and flip out when injected with a salt solution.
(My mother is staunchly anti-abortion and is key to my education on the horrors that are abortion)

Except where the mothers life would be at risk, in my opinion, there is absolutely no justification for this:

I honestly dont give a shit about this topic. But for conversation's sake....

a naturally aborted( meaning the baby died of natural causes, still within mommy) baby is considered medical waste. An assisted abortion( when we use outside means to kill and remove baby from within mom) is considered medical waste. neither has a name nor a funeral. They are put in a red bag ,slapped with a med waste tag... and off to the incinerator it goes.

Maybe I have an issue with naming and funerals? Even when we do not know the name of someone , we give them John/Jane Doe. We still bury,cremate or ship off to the body farm. We dont dispose of life in a bag with a med waste sticker.


hey, I thought that China used the death by salt injection. Thats why sooo many interns refuse to go there.they make mom deliver( regardless of fetal age) and then inject salt and toss baby in a medical trash can. The babies wiggle around as the salt takes effect.IN A TRASH CAN! This one Doc ( american intern at the time) was soo upset about what he witnessed... he tried to help one. The govt. there was horrified about this. the baby was fine.(Damn good intern to be able to save it ) Only to have the govt step in and kill it directly in front of him! They use this as a method to keep families with 1 or 2 kids ONLY. My info is old, but here it was normal to have the ( no idea what its actually referred to) idea that we rotorooter. basically send a small chainsaw up there and make mincedmeat . Kinda like when a plumber snakes the drain. In this respect, before it has the ability to acknowledge pain, its already dead. Most of the jerking and shit was done either post mortem or 'death rattle" type shit. Some of it is a reaction, kinda like how a chicken still moves around after its head has been chopped off. ( the electrical impulse thingy)

Maybe I dont fully understand? Abortion is murder. But you also state that it is acceptable when mom's life is hindered. So are you saying that its Ok to murder? or its Ok to murder but only if you fit into this or that category?
Your abhored at the idea of late term abortions... but its Ok if Mom's life is at stake? is mom's life more important than baby's? Why? because she has a name and has drawn her first breath?

I should probably stay out of threads like this....

[Deems]

I dunno why it messed up... but I quoted Nik... and my response starts with ...
I honestly dont give a shit...

[4nik8]

but its Ok if Mom's life is at stake? is mom's life more important than baby's? Why? because she has a name and has drawn her first breath?

I should probably stay out of threads like this....

No. Because both live's would be lost.

I can't see sacrificing TWO lives trying to saving one.

That in its self would be murder.

[4nik8]

I dunno why it messed up... but I quoted Nik...

You deleted the [ /quote] part at the end.

I fixed it for you.

[Deems]

Nik is my hero!

[TOAO]

Your mom may have adopted kids nik, but have you?

I'm talking about the theoretical kid you just found out you're having.

I just don't agree with a guy's version of the debate, because at worst, they get stuck with child support. Which is nowhere near a fair share of their responsibility, and it seems like more often than not, they don't pay it.

I saw a think on cribs the other day about some producer, wasn't familiar with him, so I wikipedia'd him. Showing of his bentley's, bugatti's, mansion, etc.

http://www.chartattack.com/files/chart_global/news/Sum07-p-ScottStorch-3.jpg

[QUOTE]In June 2008, a Miami-Dade judge ordered an arrest warrant for Storch when he missed a hearing regarding back child support for his son with ex-girlfriend Dalene Jennifer Daniel. In addition to being behind more than $46,000 in child support[QUOTE/]

So he does a little time over it? I guess in a lot of senses I could be considered liberal, even though I'm a repulican, but when a guy flaunts his cash, yet does that shit, the law needs to treat it the same way as if the mother starved the kid.

[rrmommy]

In June 2008, a Miami-Dade judge ordered an arrest warrant for Storch when he missed a hearing regarding back child support for his son with ex-girlfriend Dalene Jennifer Daniel. In addition to being behind more than $46,000 in child support[QUOTE/]

So he does a little time over it? I guess in a lot of senses I could be considered liberal, even though I'm a repulican, but when a guy flaunts his cash, yet does that shit, the law needs to treat it the same way as if the mother starved the kid.

I'm not understanding the point. I don't argure that there are deat beat dads out there...there are great dads too. A man feels all the same emotions as a woman when he finds out he will be a father. He may not get to carry the baby inside of him...that doesn't mean that he doesn't love it. He has given just as much to create the life as the woman...why does he not get to choose as she does. Maybe she does not want to be a mother...is it fair that he does not get to be a father. She gets to decide rather his child lives or dies??? Doesn't seem fair to me. Once the child is born we are forced to share it...by law...for the next 18 years. A woman would have to prove a man extremely unfit to have his parental rights terminated...but before birth...fuck him...he has no rights? Adoption requires both parents signatures too...why shouldn't abortion?

[4nik8]

Your mom may have adopted kids nik, but have you?

Ummm...noooo...


But I have two of my own that I kept instead of asking my (ex) wife to consider aborting!

Just exactly what is your point? That anyone against abortion ought to automatically go out and adopt?

Kind of a silly position, idnit?

I just don't agree with a guy's version of the debate, because at worst, they get stuck with child support.

That's not the guys version of the debate. That's the chick who keeps the kid and the guy who doesn't want it has to have a kid in the world and be responsible for not ONLY cash but to be a parent...or..... answer to a pissed of kid when they grow up enough to figure things out and start wanting answers.

The GUYS side of the argument is that it takes TWO to make the kid and why is it all the females decision when it comes to abortion?

The man is expected to pay for a kid he doesn't want but he has no say in a kid he DOES want?

You don't see a little something fucked up in that scenario?

[4nik8]

Once the child is born we are forced to share it...by law...for the next 18 years. A woman would have to prove a man extremely unfit to have his parental rights terminated...but before birth...fuck him...he has no rights? Adoption requires both parents signatures too...why shouldn't abortion?

Amen sister.

Preach it!

[CULPRITE_INC]

Actually to what nik quoted, the only thing i can see where it makes sense is rape, what he the rapist didn't want to sign?

[4nik8]

Actually to what nik quoted, the only thing i can see where it makes sense is rape, what he the rapist didn't want to sign?

Yeah. It had something to do with self incrimination.

[gigman]

Yeah, you're right, people don't like reality.

they can't face the "reality" that the majority of people don't share your beliefs or morals and that abortion is legal. So instead of facing reality, they bomb clinics, kill doctors, whine continually, etc.


So have you started the adoption paperwork yet? The kid is going to be here in 7 months, 27 days.The shame is TOAO, you don't have any morals. You look down on morals like it was a bad thing.

[TOAO]

Well since you're so judgemental about morals Gigman, how do you feel about birth control?

There's a whole different group that feels about the same as birth control as you do about abortion. It is obvious the MAJORITY of people feel different about the whole abortion debate than you do, which is why it is legal.

[gigman]

Well since you're so judgemental about morals Gigman, how do you feel about birth control?

There's a whole different group that feels about the same as birth control as you do about abortion. It is obvious the MAJORITY of people feel different about the whole abortion debate than you do, which is why it is legal.

You are not killing a baby that has already been conceived. Not even close. We kill skin cells all day long. The egg without the sperm is nothing more than a cell. Just like a sperm is only a cell without the egg. It doesn't get any simpler than that. Just simple biology.
And It is not the MAJORITY of people either. Only the catholics that believe that way.

[TOAO]

So you're not ok with terminating a pregnancy, but you're fine with terminating them 20 or so years later by shooting them in the back over a snatched purse?

And I agree there is a major difference between abortion and birth control. For a start, you don't hear about catholics bombing pharmacies or killing pharmacists because they give out the pill.

And yes, the majority votes to keep abortion legal, that is why it's legal. It's also one of the reason voting records are kept private. The debate here is a good example, because if you disagree, you suddenly "have no morals." Even though I said I wouldn't have a girl get an abortion. The only difference is I don't believe it is my right to tell someone else how they should chose to live their lives. Or that I have the authority to make their moral decisions for them.

[gigman]

So you're not ok with terminating a pregnancy, but you're fine with terminating them 20 or so years later by shooting them in the back over a snatched purse?
I never said that I agree with shooting a purse snatcher in the back TOAO. Go way back and look and see what I said. I said, "I don't have anything worth killing someone over." Get your shit right before you attack me dude.

And I agree there is a major difference between abortion and birth control. For a start, you don't hear about catholics bombing pharmacies or killing pharmacists because they give out the pill.You don't here about who did the bombings of those clinics as for as church denomination. Just a few weirdos that are way off on their beliefs. Not my denomination, thank you.

And yes, the majority votes to keep abortion legal, that is why it's legal. It's also one of the reason voting records are kept private. The debate here is a good example, because if you disagree, you suddenly "have no morals." Even though I said I wouldn't have a girl get an abortion. The only difference is I don't believe it is my right to tell someone else how they should chose to live their lives. Or that I have the authority to make their moral decisions for them. I was only simply debating my beliefs about the subject at hand. I also have every right to do so. If sharing my views stops one abortion, then I did a good job.
How the fuck do people think that I don't have the right to tell how they should choose to live their lives? I have every right to tell people that don't have enough moral values to do the right thing. It is still the murder of an innocent child.

[StoneTheCrow]

How the fuck do people think that I don't have the right to tell how they should choose to live their lives? I have every right to tell people that don't have enough moral values to do the right thing..

That's where you're wrong, no matter what you think or how important you think your opinion is,that's all it is....an opinion.It's not up to you to tell anybody how to live or what to do with their bodies.

[CULPRITE_INC]

Yeah. It had something to do with self incrimination.

lol but if he knew he ws going to get caught, and lets say she already the abortion, and he sued her for not asking, or killing his child, he might go to jail but he could leave her with a life long reminder, see what I am saying.

[gigman]

That's where you're wrong, no matter what you think or how important you think your opinion is,that's all it is....an opinion.It's not up to you to tell anybody how to live or what to do with their bodies.Like I said, I have every right. The first amendment says I do. Uh,,Freedom of Speech.:neutral:

[StoneTheCrow]

Like I said, I have every right. The first amendment says I do. Uh,,Freedom of Speech.:neutral:


Freedom of speech gives you the right to state your opinion, that's it. To think otherwise is foolish.

[citers]

those are the two big things over here. gay marriage and abortion, i dont believe in abortion. it is killing a human being period. gay marriage i really dont care about let them do whatever they want they will have to answer to god. :/

[4nik8]

Freedom of speech gives you the right to state your opinion, that's it. To think otherwise is foolish.

His opinion is what he was stating.

Do you honestly think gig has powers of persuasion strong enough to MAKE people do what he says?

[4nik8]

lol but if he knew he ws going to get caught, and lets say she already the abortion, and he sued her for not asking, or killing his child, he might go to jail but he could leave her with a life long reminder, see what I am saying.

No.

I see what you're trying to imply but that simply won't fly because any child conceived would be the result of a violent crime. That would forfeit his rights to a child. Similar to drug dealers forfeiting their rights to cash and property.

See what I'm saying?

Not to mention that he'd probably never give a shit if:
she got pregnant
decided to terminate the pregnancy
she lived or died

Personally, I still don't see a case for aborting the child even then. It didn't commit the crime and doesn't deserve the death penalty as a result.

[StoneTheCrow]

His opinion is what he was stating.

Do you honestly think gig has powers of persuasion strong enough to MAKE people do what he says?

Read it again, he was saying he had the right to tell people what to do with their lives.

[4nik8]

Did you not read the last line of what you quoted?

[StoneTheCrow]

Did you not read the last line of what you quoted?

Yeah, I did. I just woke up, I realize now what you were saying. :squigglemouth:

[Deems]

Giggy the hypnotist....
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[4nik8]

Yeah, I did. I just woke up, I realize now what you were saying. :squigglemouth:

I still feel like that and I got up at 7.

[Deems]

Ive been up since 2am... thats 8am for EST.

[4nik8]

So you got up an hour after I did.

Damned lazy ass.

:bigsmile:

[Deems]

Bite me

[4nik8]

How hard?

[Deems]

make me squeal like the lil harlot I am......


HA HA HA !

[rrmommy]

Pregnancy:
*woman doesn't want it...Abortion...society accepts her "choice"

*man doesn't want it...it's born anyways...he's forced to pay for it...called a deatbeat...society thinks he's a piece of shit

Why does the woman get the right to bring "his child" into this world if he does not want to...but when roles are reversed...he gets no say?

Equal rights??? Doesn't seem like it to me!

[StoneTheCrow]

Pregnancy:
*woman doesn't want it...Abortion...society accepts her "choice"

*man doesn't want it...it's born anyways...he's forced to pay for it...called a deatbeat...society thinks he's a piece of shit

Why does the woman get the right to bring "his child" into this world if he does not want to...but when roles are reversed...he gets no say?

Equal rights??? Doesn't seem like it to me!

Yep, nik has been touching base on these very points.

[4nik8]

She's like my female counter part..

[rrmommy]

She's like my female counter part..

You're a lucky guy:angel:

[Stormcrow]

Quitit.

[4nik8]

Hush you. She's kinda fun.