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I've been getting questions about STUFF concerning motorcycle clubs and rather than be a chat whore (I'm already a casino credit whore) I thought I'd psot these articles that I often refer folks to that answer most questions.
It's either an interesting read or it aint, right?
ok,so
here's the dish
The Club
The intent of this section is to give you an overview of the structure and philosophy of the traditional motorcycle club (MC). This does not necessarily express the feelings or priorities of any particular club, as all motorcycle clubs differ on some points. Regardless of the basic philosophy of this group, it is important that you understand the perspectives of other clubs that you may be associating with from time to time.
If motorcycles influence your lifestyle, then you are part of the motorcycle community. Of all the types of organizations found within that community, the traditional motorcycle club stands apart and ranks highest in stature.
Respect
A serious MC club commands respect for one reason. Those who are correctly informed recognize the deep level of personal commitment and self discipline that a man has to demonstrate and sustain in order to wear a patch. They realize that a club's "Colors" are closely guarded and the membership process is long and difficult. Other factors notwithstanding, they respect Patchholders for what they have accomplished by being able to earn and keep the patch they wear. This is respect born out of recognition of dedication and accomplishment. The MC Club strives for respect for this reason. This is especially true as it pertains to those persons outside of the motorcycle community. This segment of society is by far the larger, and therefore represents a larger market for any fund raising activities that the group might undertake. It stands to reason that cultivating a relationship with these people is important, and to be perceived by them as "Biker Scum" would not be advantageous to the group. They will therefore conduct themselves as upstanding citizens in every way... "Good neighbors" so to speak. The goal is to be admired and respected by the general public rather than feared. The serious club, and all of its members and guests, will always conduct themselves publicly in a highly professional manner.
Club Colors
The general public does not draw a distinction between different club colors. In many cases, they simply can't tell the difference: we're all "Biker Scum" to them. If one club causes a problem that touches the public sector, the offending club's identity is either confused or ignored and the heat comes down on all clubs. The general public does not make the distinction between a MC and an RC (Riding Club), therefore EVERYONE needs to be aware that no matter whether they are in an MC and RC or an Independent rider, their actions reflect on all in the motorcycle community. The MC clubs tend to police themselves to avoid such incidents.
Participation
A Patchholder will not discuss any club business whether it's about membership numbers, club goings on, or any member's personal information with anyone outside of the club. They understand that they are a Patchholder 24 hours a day whether or not they are wearing their colors. Everything they say or do in public can affect the club. They also understand that if they get out of line, that they are subject to be counseled for their own good and for that of the club. Wearing a patch is more than getting together for good times. It also means getting together for the other times, too. It constitutes a lot of work. It's committing themselves to a lifestyle in which they do not look for how their brothers or sisters can help them, but for ways that they can be of help to their brothers and sisters. They always look to give rather than to receive. All of this may seem very idealistic, and in some cases it's just that. But it is an ideal that all clubs profess and are always striving for in principle and practice.
Always be aware of the "Golden Rule" of conduct while traveling in club circles: If you give respect, you'll get respect. If you act with disrespect, then you'll be treated with the same.
Levels of Commitment
When someone earns their patch, it does not mean that he or she has reached the ultimate goal and from that point they can kick back and coast. Moving from guest to probation to Patchholder is not climbing from the bottom to the top, but rather more like climbing a constantly ascending slope, and in time becoming a stronger and more committed brother or sister. A person's probationary rocker and later their patch are merely presented in recognition of what they have demonstrated along the way. In this fashion, the more senior the Patchholder is in the club and the more they experience, the more of a brother or sister they should be to all.
Purpose of Probation / Prospecting
Probation is not an initiation, as you would find in a fraternity. It is instead a period of time that is sustained until the person, in every sense, conducts themselves with the respect that is mandated to be a Patchholder. It's a time in which:
The attitude is conditioned so that he/she displays a sense of responsibility and respect toward the patch holders of the club, without which they will not develop a sense of respect for the group.
He/she is educated in basic MC protocol and etiquette.
He/she is given time to develop the habits that are basic to good security and good communications.
To get into the habit of participating.
To become accustomed to trusting the judgment, at times blindly, of those patch holders who will someday be his or her brothers and sisters.
The list could go on but the point here is to demonstrate that probationary period has definite objectives and that a person will go nowhere in the club if he/she is not aware of this and does not apply themselves to those ends. It's not possible to make a checklist of what is expected from a person in all cases. There isn't any formula for success, but the key is ATTITUDE AND RESPECT. Everything else can be learned in time, but a person's attitude comes from the heart.
Subject: 1%er / Outlaw clubs 101
Orig Written February 2002 by Dan House:
(updated as of June 2004 by Dan... Thanks Dan !!!!)
(I have been in contact with Dan. He has reviewed the changes that I have put in his document and has not objected to the changes I have made. If he would have had any objections, I would have been more than happy to respect his wishes.)
The "Biker" world has been mine for some thirty-five years, from hardcore 1%er’s to the new and improved “Riding Clubs”. I've seen and encountered just about everything you can pull from any movie. Being knowledgeable of an element you might encounter is always critical to your safety. Whether it is road rage from a cager (driver of a car) or a robbery at your local Seven-Eleven. You learn what parts of town to stay out of because someone has told you or you learned the hard way. You have the intelligence not to provoke a Pit Bull or stand in the middle of a fire ant mound. You learn to ride a motorcycle safely and so you must learn about the world you have entered. Now, many of you have entered the "Biker" or “Club” world and are not aware of the issues that may affect you and only need a little guidance. It would be my suggestion to do some research on this issue because knowledge is power. It’s hard to convey the complete understanding of this culture in a small article but it will help.
This information is to educate you on the outlaw 1%er lifestyle, not to scare you away from riding. (And remember, please think before you respond to anything, don't do any bashing of anyone or any club on the e groups, forums or at any bars.) First off, the likelihood of anyone getting into a scrape with outlaws/1%er”s is slim to none unless you frequent their bars or hangouts. But make no mistake, this is very real. Since most bike clubs are “NOT” outlaw clubs, they will have no issue with you as long as you stay out of their “business” and follow biker protocol. There is rarely a problem at a public event or poker run but it is always possible. So lets start with the "Rocker" you hear about. The rocker is in the form of a half moon, for lack of a better term. Similar to the bottom of a rocking chair. If you think about it, you have all seen photos of "Hells Angels" and the way the patches are arched above and below the center patch. MC (Motorcycle Club) patch and the 1% diamond will also be found on their Cut (also referred to as Colors). There are also many other patches some clubs wear that only mean something to that particular club.
The 1% diamond is the key to identifying a 1%er. It is a patch in the shape of a diamond with “1%” on it. That is mostly worn on the left shoulder but is seen on the back of their colors also. They, (1%er's) ride mostly Harley’s only, along with their support clubs and almost all outlaw clubs, but that's another story. Flying a certain style of patch on the back of colors is how the outlaws identify who is or is not claiming territory. Territory is a huge issue and they will fight and/or kill over it if it comes to that. It’s just “Business”. The rocker or the bar style patch is not acceptable to 1%er's unless approved by them. And just because an M/C club wears “Rocker” or “Bar” style patch’s that doesn’t make them an outlaw club. You just have to learn who is who but your officers should have some knowledge on that.
As I said, most clubs are not outlaw clubs and don’t wear a top and bottom rocker. They may have a top rocker but if they have a bottom patch it will not have State, City or County wording on it , many times it will be the member’s road name. For example any club in Texas (unless it’s grand fathered by the Bandido’s) that’s not affiliated with Bandidos, (and other than a police club) are not allowed to fly the "Texas" patch ("Bar" or "Rocker") on the back. They have even forced some police clubs to remove the Texas rocker. Also, 99% of Bandido support clubs cannot wear Texas on the back. The Bandidos claim that right as an MC (Motorcycle Club) and will aggressively approach you if you are seen wearing it on the back of your colors. Most states have its dominant 1% club where the same rule applies. The Bandidos are the dominant club in Texas as well as several other states.
A 1%er overall is also referred to as a “1%er”. Outlaws Bikers (not to be confused with the 1% “OUTLAWS” Motorcycle Club) are also hard-core clubs NOT wearing a 1% patch but have very close ties with 1%er’s. That would also include any 1% support clubs. Appearance is important, it would be chaos if everyone wore "Police" uniforms; identification of who you are is imperative. You would surly be put in jail if you were not a police officer but were wearing the uniform and acting like a cop. So, on the other end of the spectrum, you don't want to be mistaken for something you’re not for safety sake in all walks of life. Wearing an AMA patch on the front of your colors/vest will identify you (to outlaws) as a family club member and are of no threat to them. 1%er’s push the AMA patch to all clubs because 1%er’s and other outlaws clubs don’t wear one. Some clubs wear the AMA patch upside down in protest of being forced by 1%er’s to wear it.
1%er’s and outlaws will have nothing to do with the AMA (American Motorcyclist Association) and vise versa, and will NEVER wear an AMA patch. The term 1% comes from the AMA. In the 60's, the AMA labeled the "Hells Angels" and the likes, as making up only 1% of all motorcyclists as being "The Bad Boys". The Angels adapted that and became an exclusive 1% club. And ANY club that tried to wear that 1% diamond had better be able to back it up or rival 1% clubs disbanded them. More often than not they were disbanded, in many cases by death. The term “The Big Four” is the four largest 1% clubs and the most dangerous clubs in the world. 1.“Bandidos", established 1966 2. "Hells Angels", established 1948 3."Outlaws", established 1935 4."Pagans" established 1959. The Bandidos , are the fastest growing outlaw motorcycle club in the U.S.
There are hundreds of smaller 1% clubs that can be just as dangerous as the big ones on a smaller level. Just a note. If you are ever around outlaw clubs when they greet each other, you may see some of them kiss each other on the lips. This started back in the 60’s when 1%er’s used it to shock people when they were around them. It has since evolved into a ritual that is proof of a very tight brotherhood.
To become a 1%er or an outlaw is not an easy task. Not many will ever wear the 1% diamond, and only men can join an outlaw or a 1% club. The prospecting process is more than most men can take or will take. Thus eliminating the possible club invasion of undercover or "Feds" as best they can. It is not generally easy to prospect for any M/C club, especially outlaw clubs. The comment was made about numbers, that the citizen riders out number them 50 to 1. That is true, but, think what you will, five average guys are sometimes no problem for one hardcore 1%er. If you take on one, you take them all on. For the most part, now days, outlaws will try to stress their position very clearly before resorting to violence.
Rival clubs have killed each for years over things like territory and simple arguments over what seems to be nothing to the average citizen. Outlaw/1%er clubs for the most part keep the violence in the rival Motorcycle Club circle. Unless you are involved with them or have a death wish and chose to provoke hardcore bikers, the violence rarely spills out into the general public. That still goes on to this day. Declaring WAR is in their eyes just what it means. Last one breathing wins, nothing less, no exceptions, no rules. They have no fear of the consequences, that's what makes them so dangerous in a confrontation. Jail, prison, or death means nothing to them and threats will actually encourage them to strike.
And always be aware of a 1%er or Outlaw Club prospect. He will be wearing a prospect patch or have no center patch, or an armband depending on the club. Members and Prospects are expected to behave in such a manner as to avoid discrediting or dishonoring the club, especially, but not only, when wearing colors. But 1% Prospects have been known to provoke trouble. Recognition is important for a prospect to “Patch Out”. But negative recognition can sometimes work against a prospect. Their structure is very much like the military and very political, they earn their patch the HARD way and will defend it to the death. If a 1%er or outlaw club members looses his colors, they will go to unbelievable lengths to recover them. And God help the one that has them, especially if there is no reason for having them. If the Police have them, they will take the police department to court and get their colors back if they need to. Usually the Police just save themselves the hassle and give them back. They always do get them back.
Until now, the outlaw element has been pretty much on its own. (And as you know they seldom wave at anyone. It is nothing personal and has nothing to do with the bike you ride. They also seldom wave at another outlaw club) The reality is, however, that 1%er/outlaw clubs aren't quite like everyone else, it's best to recognize and admit that up front. The outlaws are a society within a society, with their own rules, own codes of conduct, own ways of reacting to the world. It’s kinda like the building of a city further out into the wilderness areas. You are going to encounter new forms of life you didn't know existed this close to you until now. Many of you are relatively new to the MC world and are just seeing it. The big bike sales has increased 52% in the last two years putting a tremendous amount of riders on the road, at rally's, and on the web. Most riders paid no attention to 1%ers till they started entering the "Biker" world by flying colors just as 1%er's/outlaws have since bike clubs began. Outlaws, 1%er’s, and motorcycle clubs in general have been around since the 30's with some non-outlaw clubs such as the "Gypsy M/C International" that was established in 1932. It's also been said that there was an all female M/C known as the "Motormaids" that was established in 1931. The "Boozefighters" Motorcycle Club was established in 1946.
Be as patient and as tolerant as you can when in a situation where you are approached by outlaws. “RESPECT” is what they expect from you and nothing less.
NEVER be macho or show disrespect to 1%er / outlaws clubs. “People who don't understand the chemistry and the volatility may get themselves into a situation way, way beyond anything they're ready for." That will cause a very explosive situation that no one wants to be in. Even if you don’t respect them, it would be in your best interest to show respect at the time of the encounter. Show respect to ANY club you encounter, outlaw or not. There are some great clubs out there and not all the outlaw clubs are bad. It sometimes comes down to a particular member. Also try and be aware of where your officers are in case something comes up. 1%er’s (outlaws) only respond to male Officers of any club. Also, if outlaws are not on their bikes they will not always be flying any colors; it’s part of their laws. That makes it difficult to know who is who unless they are wearing a patch shirt that has the name of the club they ride with. So if you are at a cycle event or a biker bar, be careful what you say when talking to a stranger. Even if they look like the kid next door, you just never know.
An 1%er / outlaw could care less if he goes to jail, particularly if he is prospecting. If you make him mad, he will get your attention at any cost. And they don’t care WHO you are, an ex-1%er, a cop, an attorney, a body builder or a CEO. It don’t matter to them how tough you are or think you are. If you have pissed them off there will be trouble. I want to stress again, it’s not likely it will ever happen to you unless you travel those circles or challenge them when they are present. But at least you now have some type of awareness on what to do or not to do, so you are in control of your own actions. It is not always a good idea to approach them even if you are just being friendly. Outlaws are very suspicious of an approach by a stranger. However, some can be very friendly provided you don’t ask questions about their “business”.
Outlaws can also be a lot of fun to be around, and MAN can they party. Most clubs, including 1%er’s rarely give anyone any trouble unless they are provoked, you challenge them, or you show disrespect. I have acquired many outlaw/1%er friends over the years that are great guys and wouldn’t cause anyone any trouble as long as they or their brothers aren’t messed with. They are the kind of brothers you want beside you if the going gets tough. Once club members consider you a good friend they will try and recruit you to join their club.
The loyalty of brotherhood is the greatest strength of any club or friendship, and the club loyalty’s ALWAYS come first. And they won’t call the cops; they Take Care Of Business themselves. (You may see that on a patch that some earn.) In fact, history shows that outlaws or 1%er’s are less likely to testify against each other than the Mafia is. Not to mention they are certainly a special breed, and the brotherhood is as tight or tighter than any Mafia. 1%er’s have a death code for snitches, if you snitch against the club you will be hunted down. 1%er’s are so successful at doing this just recently after a federal agent had infiltrated one of the “Big Four” clubs and gave the feds all the incriminating evidence of murder and drug running conducted by the elite portion of that club. He then committed suicide knowing they would find him at any cost and torture him to death.
“Riding clubs” are, for the most part, the new kids on the block and no matter what anyone thinks, the 1%er's/outlaws will always be here, even when or if the riding craze is over. The greatest law enforcement in the world has had little effect on this type of organization, so you can do little but try and work things out and co-exist peacefully. I think we can ALL co-exist if we keep doing what we are doing. Making smart choices and having friends from all types of clubs. I know there are plenty of “Rights” arguments and debate in what I have written, but what you have read here is very real like it or not. We all have at least one thing in common, “Motorcycles” not to mention close friends! I encourage you all to enjoy this life style by being knowledgeable of it. Learn and realize how dangerous this outlaw organization can be at times. This article has only scratched the surface in regard to the lifestyle or information that is available. And much information is only available when you live in that world.
StoneTheCrow
06-04-2009, 10:54 PM
Very cool, thanks for explaining that.
CULPRITE_INC
06-04-2009, 10:55 PM
dude , keep it coming if there is more, im very interested.
Buschman
06-04-2009, 11:01 PM
Good thread Left.
CULPRITE_INC
06-04-2009, 11:09 PM
THE" pagans" are local to my area, but havn't herd much in years, and the fed who off'ed him self, I watched a show about that, was the bandidos wasn't it?
my rags...
GYPSY MC
patch holder
USA (nomad in some clubs)
LIFER (old grumpy grey beard)
you can call me LEFT
StoneTheCrow
06-04-2009, 11:14 PM
Ok, so now I gotta ask. What does L.E.F.T. mean?
Taken from one of the Delphi Forums.)
Statement from a 1%er…
I enjoy reading the perceptions of 1%ers and MC's and often get a laugh at some of the posts both here and on a couple of other forums dedicated to to THE LIFE, as it is often called here and there. I especially get a chuckle in regards to the misconception of different views of what is respect. Some advice is good and others are Hog wash. To avoid us is not respectful, to treat us as outcasts or like monsters is not respectful. Sometimes I expect to see villagers at my door carrying hay forks and torches. Forums like this for the most part do a good in the sense that it gives some insight into what we are about but on occasion it gives the impression that we are to be feared and are lurking to jump on someone, or anyone.
Example would be that I recently read a post on a seldom visited forum where some woman verbally attacked a known PH of some club for what seemed like no reason and not even on that threads subject. She could get away with it because we ARE NOT monsters. I've never known a man to hit a woman who wasn't his own or associated with his club. To this she was brazen, if not disrespectful and puts her man in a very stupidly dangerous situation because if she had done it somewhere but behind the safety of a computer, at a rally event, or bar either a OL would have decked her or her OM would catch the brunt of the insult. I do not know the PH, I'm not even sure of his affiliation but I have seen his posts before and I think I've even seen them here before. He handled it with more finess than I would have I assure you. Men don't get the same polite pass that some Broad might get. But the point is that we don't go out of our way to call attention to ourselves. We police our own and don't take kindly to interference from the so called establishment enforcers. Yes we live by a law, it is the law of FW 1 UFWA. Simply put You Fuc# with one, You Fu#@ with All. But as long as you live and ride in the Establishment built streets as we do you have little to fear from MC's, unless you let your mouth overload your ass. My major point is simply this: Birds of a feather Flock together. We stay in and amongst our own kind. Even in the areas of mutual socialising you will see the MC's together and the "Others" together. So why fear or even look away when there is eye contact. There seems to be some kind of opinion that the motorcycle community must give way to some kind of mysterious respect. The fact is we respect you, other than that we don't think about you at all, until you bring it on yourselves by passing into our world. WE thrive and in some ways survive partially on the numbers of the ordinary riders now on the street. The cops can't pass laws that screw us because they can't pass laws that screw you the majority. They can't openly harrass us for the same reason. Today I parked on the sidewalk at the mall. The security guard stopped me as I went inside and said he heard on his walky talky that it was about to be ticketed. I did not threaten to kill the cops family. I thanked him and moved the damn thing. I appreciated his warning. Just like any of you would have. In fact I straightened the guys clip on tie and we talked bikes for about 10 minutes. He rides a Honda. I complimented his choice. Would I ride one...Hell No! but he isn't me, I'm not him and never the twain shall meet. He'll be riding his while I'm wrenching mine. So what! His badge means he will never be apart of my world, my colors means I'll never be apart of his. Now Understand! We are NOT at war with the world. At Rallies, Toy Runs even at the gas pumps when our worlds come together at the vortex, the type of respect we want is an understanding that we live a free open standard unlike anything most of you will ever conceive. But it is on the same streets with you all and WE respect that fact. Should you pass the picket at our campsite without stopping to be recognized?....Not unless you have a death wish. Should you come into a bar where all kinds meet and have a beer? Sure. Should you insult out standards with your RC Patches and show us attitude? The answer is this, cross the line into our world and you cross the line into a different set of standards. You cross that line and you change the rules for yourselves and us to. We are much more patient with ignorance than we are with an attitude that belongs in the "Outside" world. Bring it inside our world and you may either be faced with leaving it there (forever)or having it thrown back into the street attached to the seat of your pants. We do Not defend space, we defend our right to do as we please. Join in if you like but don't drag your standards in with you. We don't care about what you perceive as "Your Rights". In our world you have no "Rights" to cross the line and set your standards on our space. You can pet the bear, but don't slap him. Play gentle and so will we.....everytime. AND please remember, a man in our world is judged along side the manners of his woman. Keep her in check. It ain't her ass she's putting on the line. Just random thoughts for a night of insomnia.
For many years my road name was "aln8ed" (alienated) long story....
When my rags were retired I requested it be changed to L.E.F.T. as I am known across five continents. Easier to remember who I am, right?
Loving
Elaine
Forever
True
um... it's aughhhhh...it's, like, you know....a SMOOPIE DOOPIE kinda thing!
LOL
StoneTheCrow
06-04-2009, 11:20 PM
It all comes down to respect, I like that.
Thanks for answering, aint nothing wrong with lovin your woman. Nothing at all.
4nik8
06-04-2009, 11:31 PM
Kinda ironic that the info about 1%'ers takes up 99% of the explanations about MC.
Good read, LEFT.
True that!
It is all a subculture that truly exists and reading something like this prevents one from being a character in Wild Hogs, right?
I laughed my ass off over that flic btw...
(as an aside)
Best biker movies...
The Wild Ones (well yeah)
Easy Rider
Outside The Law
Born To Ride (<<<<<my personal fave)
***GHOST RIDER***
and Streets of Fire if yer smoke'n the GOOD stuff!
CULPRITE_INC
06-05-2009, 12:18 AM
left this hole thing is really making me think, beautiful culture.
it's a place where a person's word and handshake still means something.
A place where you know where you stand.
and remember (this is important)....
You never see a motorcycle parked in front of a therapist's office!
CULPRITE_INC
06-05-2009, 01:51 AM
That is what I mean man, and it makes me want a bike(more)lol
Deems
06-05-2009, 10:39 AM
Culprite.. your gonna kill yourself. your taking the drivers test today. get the car figured out first.
4nik8
06-05-2009, 10:42 AM
Culprite.. your gonna kill yourself. your taking the drivers test today. get the car figured out first.
LMAO
Buschman
06-05-2009, 12:34 PM
Left, you mentioned that you changed your name when you retired your rags. You are still a member of the club. What did you mean by "retire"
Deems
06-05-2009, 03:33 PM
he was reborn a new person, new name ,new rags.
CULPRITE_INC
06-05-2009, 05:38 PM
Culprite.. your gonna kill yourself. your taking the drivers test today. get the car figured out first.
I have ridden motorcycles a lot more, and motorcycles seem more cost worthy unless i need to move a couch
stick with the motorcycle kid...
(sumbuddy put Deems in check, right?)
hute? ....yeah, it's about the hute. HUTE!
Busch, "retired" means I wear a USA rocker instead of the county rocker "Fort Bend" (my former chapter). It means I represent my club "at large". In some clubs "nomad" means the same thing.
....the been there done that crowd? sure, why not.
mostly, it makes prospects wonder if I'm important enough to worry about....
or
it means they put this ol'greybeard out to pasture..."The Long Walk" if you will...HUTE!
4nik8
06-05-2009, 06:51 PM
I have ridden motorcycles a lot more, and motorcycles seem more cost worthy unless i need to move a couch
or have to get groceries
or take a girl out to a nice place
or if it rains
I like bikes but I wouldn't say they'd be better instead of a car (or truck)
CULPRITE_INC
06-05-2009, 07:11 PM
or have to get groceries
or take a girl out to a nice place
or if it rains
I like bikes but I wouldn't say they'd be better instead of a car (or truck)
1. a back pack.
2. she wants a bike of her own.
3.fuck it just water, below 25-30.
I like your attitude!
lol
(a car or truck does make sense though....)
4nik8
06-05-2009, 08:57 PM
1. a back pack.
2. she wants a bike of her own.
3.fuck it just water, below 25-30.
I can kinda see ya doin the first two.
but...below 32 it ain't water anymore.
:bigsmile:
Buschman
06-05-2009, 09:17 PM
stick with the motorcycle kid...
(sumbuddy put Deems in check, right?)
hute? ....yeah, it's about the hute. HUTE!
Busch, "retired" means I wear a USA rocker instead of the county rocker "Fort Bend" (my former chapter). It means I represent my club "at large". In some clubs "nomad" means the same thing.
....the been there done that crowd? sure, why not.
mostly, it makes prospects wonder if I'm important enough to worry about....
or
it means they put this ol'greybeard out to pasture..."The Long Walk" if you will...HUTE!
Ok Left, I understand now. But to "retire" is still a privilage of your former rank right? Not anyone can just retire when they feel like it huh?
CULPRITE_INC
06-05-2009, 11:38 PM
I can kinda see ya doin the first two.
but...below 32 it ain't water anymore.
:bigsmile:
riding in the winter is a little to much for me.
riding anyting less that 70 degrees sucks!
I mean, that's ,like, you know...WINTER!
yikes
busch-not rank so much as a demonstrated dedication and ability to act as a good ambassador. yes, that's it. think of me as your personal ambassador.
now, you know I should proberly told you to worry about being a good outrider...a hang around...a wish I could, I wish I could as a start before you worry about.....
wait
I may have broken some double bubble crypto secret rule....
ok,so
I gotta go.
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