Fuck Tha police

[TOAO]

I'm following an interesting trial in San Diego, about a road rage incident between a lady, and a cop. Basically the cop shot the lady, and her young disabled son.

Of course, there are two sides to the story.

most of the "pro-police" people dwell on the fact the lady had alcohol and drugs in her system. And of course, are blind to the fact they only tested her, and not the off duty cop. Kind of odd they would test the victim, and not the offender. As it usually ends up, when a cop breaks the law, and victimizes someone, they also do their best to falsley prosecute them.

There is obviously a mountain of evidence against him, to make them prosecute a cop anyways. Not to mention, he was already caught lying about several key facts in the incident.

Here is the latest news on the case

VISTA ---- San Diego police Officer Frank White's attorney did not use the phrase "self-defense" in his opening statement Wednesday, but it was clear that he plans to present evidence that the officer felt threatened by the actions of a woman he would later shoot in an Oceanside parking lot.

At issue is whether White committed a crime when he shot the woman, Rachel Silva, and her 8-year-old son in a road-rage clash in an Oceanside parking lot on March 15, 2008. White was off-duty, out of uniform and driving his personal car when Silva began chasing him for a perceived slight on the road.

After Silva used her car to block White's car, then scraped his car with hers, the officer emptied his five-shot revolver ---- striking the woman twice in the arm and her son once in the leg.

White is on trial in a Vista courtroom, accused of negligently firing his gun ---- a felony ---- as well as a misdemeanor for brandishing his weapon.

Seated at the defense table with his wife and supporters behind him, White leaned forward, fingers laced, as he listened to testimony. The officer faces up to nine years in prison if convicted.

White may be the defendant in the case, but much of the opening statements for the jury of nine women and three men centered on Silva.

Deputy District Attorney Jeff Dusek conceded to the jury that Silva was the aggressor, that she was drunk with her son in the front seat when she pursued White in a bizarre, slow-speed chase through a Lowe's parking lot. Tests showed she also had marijuana and methamphetamine in her system.

Dusek said that Silva was just a block away from her home when she decided to chase the officer, who was heading to a grocery store with his wife just after 9 p.m. on a Saturday evening.

And though Silva may have been revving her engine and driving as if she was going to ram White's car, she did not rear-end him ---- "although she could have if she wanted to," Dusek said.

He said White "did not have a scrape, did not have a bruise," when he fired his gun through a rolled-up window on his car.

White's attorney, Rick Pinckard, told the jury that he will present evidence to "focus on why it happened." Pinckard also told the jury they will hear of a 2003 road-rage encounter in which Silva punched a 17-year-old driver.

He said the officer's wife will take the stand, and tell them "how it felt to be trapped in that car with this person behind them, motive unknown," as Silva pursued them, screaming and revving her engine, skidding and screeching her tires.

"It makes them wonder what's coming next," Pinckard said. "As Silva's actions escalate, the danger felt by the Whites becomes more imminent."

White told his wife to call 911, according to a recorded call jurors listened to Wednesday.

During the call, gunshots can be heard, followed by White yelling to Silva that he was a police officer. Silva also called 911, a recording the jury also listened to Wednesday.

The first testimony in the case came from the first Oceanside police officers on the scene of the shooting.

Officer Frank Wagner testified that White had his hands in the air and the gun and police badge on the roof of his car when he pulled up. Though White wanted to tell him what had happened, Wagner advised him to wait for a sergeant to arrive at the scene before making any statements.

"Don't you generally want to get a quick statement from a shooter before they have time to think?" prosecutor Dusek asked.

"Every situation is different," Wagner replied.

Some of the officers testified that White immediately identified himself to them as a police officer, and did not ask for any special treatment.

According to testimony from police officers, neither White nor Silva smelled of alcohol. White was not tested for intoxication, but Silva's blood was ordered to be tested. The results showed her blood alcohol level was nearly twice the legal limit for driving in California.

Silva has invoked her right against self-incrimination and is not expected to testify. She also was charged in the incident. Last year, she pleaded guilty to felony child endangerment and misdemeanor drunken driving. She faces four years behind bars when she is sentenced in July.

Testimony continues Thursday.

[StoneTheCrow]

Silva don't sound very intelligent,she's already had previous troubles that will probably be held against her. I didn't see enough of the story to warrant the cop busting a few caps in their asses though.

[TOAO]

As it kind of goes, there is no telling how many people white brandished his gun at. Cops make things like that disappear.

Bottom line, he lied about this incident, so he's probably lied about other ones.

This is just the latest story on the trial, in the earlier stories, he was caught lying about several things.

A cop will never take a polygraph for a reason.

[TOAO]

Here is an earlier story on it.


http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/northcounty/20080417-9999-1m17silva.html


Kind of hard to believe you had to shoot someone because they are going to run you over, when you shoot them through the passenger window. Where her kid was sitting.

http://i41.tinypic.com/2nvt3yw.jpg

They have yet to realease the parking lot video, but he probably did the first shot through the side window, and the rest as she was backing up, trying to get away.

[4nik8]

What the hell? Point blank range and the cop couldn't shoot any better than that?

[TOAO]

Funny you mention that. There was an incident here, where the police shot a girl over a small kinife, and of course lied about it, and had other cops lie about it. One of the things that got me, is if she was so close to be that much of a threat, how could they miss that many times?

They also immediately did their best to badmouth her, discredit her, etc. There was a huge public outcry. My personal opinion is if you can't take a knife away from a 105lb teenage girl, you shouldn't be a cop.


Inside the Kill Zone
Eyewitnesses contradict official version of Surf City shooting
NICK SCHOU
Published on March 15, 2007

On the morning of Aug. 25, 2006, Huntington Beach resident Patrick Carigan was standing in the garage of his house across the street from Sun View Park, drinking coffee and watching TV. His garage door was open. He heard someone yell "Drop the knife," and walked to his driveway. In the middle of the park, he saw a girl holding a knife in both hands, the blade hovering beneath her chin. Surrounding her were two uniformed Huntington Beach police officers.

What happened next was by all accounts the most controversial and tragic Orange County officer-involved shooting in recent memory. The official story goes like this: Ashley MacDonald, an 18-year-old woman who had just fought with her mother and claimed she had been date-raped the night before, committed suicide by cop. When the officers tried to get her to drop the knife, she charged at them full-speed, giving them no choice but to shoot. A third officer was seconds away from loading his bean-bag gun when the two cops fired 15 bullets in MacDonald.

A Sheriff's Department investigation upheld by the Orange County District Attorney's office cleared the two officers of any wrongdoing, noting that if an armed suspect is within 21 feet, an officer who fears for his or her life is allowed to shoot to kill. Last November, MacDonald's family filed a $20 million claim against the police department, which the city recently rejected. The family's Newport Beach-based attorney, Jerry Steering, said he plans to sue the police "just as soon as I can get out from under this mountain of paperwork."

"I recall at the time of the shooting that the two officers approach[ing] the female were in plain view," Carigan said in a sworn declaration obtained by the Weekly. "They used nothing for cover. . . . The shooting started a very short time after the yelling started. . . . I never heard the officers tell the person to turn away, get on the ground, kneel down. . . . Just shots. . . . I do recall seeing the girl take at least one step away from the officers as if to try and run into the park and that was all. Shots fired."

Besides Carigan, two other eyewitnesses to the shooting have signed sworn declaration saying they'll testify in court to what they saw. Their detailed statements also contradict the official claim that MacDonald charged the officers with her knife, affording them no choice but to shoot.

John Pierson, who lives in an apartment adjacent to the park, says two officers, "both with crew cuts and about 30 years old" began yelling at MacDonald, who started "walking away, then stopped, then started walking away again." The officers demanded three times that she drop the knife, Pierson recalls. "I then heard shots—and I saw both officers shooting. They looked like they were in shock with their mouths wide open. I saw Ashley fall and start shaking."

Jack Bixby awoke that morning to hear someone yelling from the direction of the park. He says he looked out his window and saw three officers, at least one of whom had already drawn his weapon, surrounding MacDonald. "They were yelling 'Drop the knife,'" he says. "I believe the officers repeated this four to five times . . . I never heard the officers give the female any other commands." Bixby says the officers were standing within 15 to 20 feet of MacDonald and were not using either their police vehicles or a chain link fence inside the park for cover when the shooting began. He added that he had never been interviewed by anyone with the Huntington Beach Police Department or the Sheriff's Department about what he saw.

David Brent, chief homicide investigator for the DA's office who cleared the two officers of any wrongdoing, concluded that the shooting was legal. That conclusion was based on reports and taped interviews with eyewitnesses provided by Sheriff's detectives. Brent did not personally interview any eyewitnesses and refused to release their identities, citing privacy concerns. "The officers are begging her to drop the knife," Brent said. "One backs up and she's [approaching] within six to eight feet. That's when they start firing. Their training, good or bad, is if there is a person with knife 21 feet away you don't have any choices. . . . They view her as a threat to life and whether or not there were other ways of handling this is not a call my office makes."

Joseph Travers, a former L.A. County police training officer and licensed private investigator, was hired by attorney Steering to interview Carigan and other eyewitnesses to the MacDonald shooting. He doesn't dispute Brent's decision not to file criminal charges against the officers who shot MacDonald. "Based on my expertise, it appears they were legally justified in shooting her," Travers said. But he doesn't buy Brent's claim that the two officers had no choice but to pull the trigger. "The problem is, they put themselves in the kill zone," Travers said. "They were so close that all she had to do was move with the knife. Even if she moved away it could be seen as a threat. If those officers hadn't put themselves in the kill zone, they could have talked the knife out of her hands or used non-lethal force."

Steering told the Weekly that putting eyewitnesses on the stand who say they never saw MacDonald rush towards the officers will be crucial to his wrongful death case. Given that the DA's office has never filed charges against a law enforcement officer for pulling the trigger in the line of duty, he's not surprised that the officers were officially cleared of the shooting. "For that to happen, Ashley MacDonald would have had to be handcuffed, lying face down on the ground when they shot her," Steering said. "And there'd still be no charges filed unless you had a videotape to prove it."

[TOAO]

the prosecution rests

VISTA ---- A North County jury took a short but rare trip out of the courtroom on Monday to see the cars driven by San Diego Police Officer Frank White and the woman he shot during an Oceanside road rage confrontation nearly 15 months ago.

Not long after jurors returned to their seats in the courtroom, Deputy District Attorney Jeff Dusek rested his case against White, who is charged with a felony for negligently firing his gun at the other driver, Rachel Silva, and her 8-year-old son in the March 15, 2008, clash.

White was off duty, out of uniform and in his personal car with his wife at the time.

Jurors spent about 15 minutes in a secured courthouse parking lot looking over the two cars, peering at the bullet holes and the scrapes left on each sedan during the confrontation.

One male juror shook White's car as if testing the shocks ---- an issue that defense attorney Rick Pinckard brought up a few moments earlier. An accident reconstruction specialist said that the people in White's car may have felt the impact of the other car as it scraped alongside.

According to testimony in the trial, now less than a week old, Silva pursued White, tailgated within inches of his bumper, revved her engine and screamed at him for a perceived driving slight.

Eventually, witnesses said, Silva used the nose of her car to block in White's, then pulled up parallel to his, so close that their side-view mirrors slapped.

Accident reconstruction specialist Ed Phillips, testifying for the prosecution, said Silva's car was traveling between 5 and 10 mph as she scraped alongside White's car.

White, who had been trying to ditch Silva as she pursued him, emptied his five-shot revolver. Silva was hit twice in her right arm and her son, who was in the front seat, was hit once in his left leg.

The defense started its case late Monday. White's wife is expected to take the stand, but it is unclear whether White will testify in his own defense.

After the jury left Monday afternoon, Judge Harry Elias heard quick testimony from a man who described a violent road rage encounter with Silva in 2001 or 2002.

Elias will decide whether the jury will hear from Randall Baker as a witness for the defense, which has said the encounter is evidence of Silva's alleged escalation of road rage violence.

While he could not produce police reports or insurance claims about the incident, Baker said he called Oceanside police after seeing Silva's picture ---- "a chilling recognition," he said ---- in media accounts of the shooting incident.

"I have no doubt," Baker said, that Silva was the woman who threatened to "stomp" he and his wife during their own encounter with her. And, he said, Silva laid a "body check" on him, striking a blow against him with her shoulder and elbow during the incident.





"While he could not produce police reports or insurance claims about the incident, Baker said he called Oceanside police after seeing Silva's picture ---- "a chilling recognition," he said ---- in media accounts of the shooting incident."


Isn't "bearing false witness" some sort of sin? It's like the D.A. is trying to tank it. Seems something with absolutely no factual backing wouldn't be allowed.

[LEFT]

I dunno...

I think as many people as possible should shoot as many people as possible.

shooting people with guns is why God gave us apposing thumbs

BLAMMO!




..and whutknot.

[CULPRITE_INC]

Ok hang the fucking dip shit cop, and give the son a few thousand dollars for his injurys, let the bitch sulk with her injuries, The cop who know he should only brandish his fire arm in a life or death situation, and having the evasive cop car training(pit maneuver and what have you) He should not have pulled his gun, espically shooting when there are people who can not do you harm, ie passengers. He had just as much right to shot her as i do, and i have no right to shot her, much less her son. Now I dont see her getting charged with the child endangerment, but the other shit sure.

[4nik8]

He should be fired for not being able to shoot any better than that.

[TOAO]

He should have never made it escalate to the point of pulling out a firearm. It is a lady and a small child.

The local news there also, as expected, does their best to bias the story. Having mariuana or meth 'in your system," doesn't mean you're unfer then influence.

They also leave out the sad fact that her husband, the kid's father, is a marine stationed in Iraq.

[4nik8]

Who gives a fuck where her old man is? He'd be just as embarrassed by her drunk ass no matter where he was for not only endangering their child but forcing a cop to pull a gun and defend his life and his wife's life from an obvious nut job.

[CULPRITE_INC]

Who gives a fuck where her old man is? He'd be just as embarrassed by her drunk ass no matter where he was for not only endangering their child but forcing a cop to pull a gun and defend his life and his wife's life from an obvious nut job.

bull shit dude he was a cop he knows how to drive and how to get away

[Stormcrow]

Who gives a fuck where her old man is? He'd be just as embarrassed by her drunk ass no matter where he was for not only endangering their child but forcing a cop to pull a gun and defend his life and his wife's life from an obvious nut job.

Typical.

[4nik8]

bull shit dude he was a cop he knows how to drive and how to get away

So?

She didn't know he was a cop when she started her shit.

She's still as dangerous except now she's got bullet scars.

Is he supposed to evade motorists because they flip the fuck out and act retarded?

Should YOU have to haul ass and hide from a nut job chick because she thinks you done her wrong?

Keep in mind, she's drunk as fuck and doing her wrong might entail nothing more than passing her.

Fuck that stupid whore.

I wish the cop would have fired ONE bullet.

Right between her hazed, blood shot eyes.

[Stormcrow]

So?

She didn't know he was a cop when she started her shit.

She's still as dangerous except now she's got bullet scars.

Is he supposed to evade motorists because they flip the fuck out and act retarded?

Should YOU have to haul ass and hide from a nut job chick because she thinks you done her wrong?

Keep in mind, she's drunk as fuck and doing her wrong might entail nothing more than passing her.

Fuck that stupid whore.

I wish the cop would have fired ONE bullet.

Right between her hazed, blood shot eyes.

And her kid? What reason do you give to laud the police officer for shooting him?

[4nik8]

And her kid? What reason do you give to laud the police officer for shooting him?

They, like most police precincts, obviously don't get the funding they need to make the cops proficient with their fire arms.

Most cops only get the funding to fire about 4 mags down range, at a stationary object, per YEAR.

He's obviously the product of a tight budget.

[Stormcrow]

They, like most police precincts, obviously don't get the funding they need to make the cops proficient with their fire arms.

Most cops only get the funding to fire about 4 mags down range, at a stationary object, per YEAR.

He's obviously the product of a tight budget.

And that makes shooting an innocent child OK. Gotcha.







*Psst, it was point blank.

[4nik8]

And that makes shooting an innocent child OK. Gotcha.

*Psst, it was point blank.

No. Ass. I didn't say it was ok.

I was offering an explanation for how the kid got hit.

Unless YOU are saying a cop would think it would be ok to shoot a kid to stop a motorist.

No shit it was point blank. I think I pointed that out earlier.

Hell. I've seen videos on TV where the criminal and cop are shooting at one another with only a car between them and the cop empty his gun and still hit nothing but air.

Goes back to my point about funding.

[Stormcrow]

No. Ass. I didn't say it was ok.

I was offering an explanation for how the kid got hit.

Unless YOU are saying a cop would think it would be ok to shoot a kid to stop a motorist.

No shit it was point blank. I think I pointed that out earlier.

Hell. I've seen videos on TV where the criminal and cop are shooting at one another with only a car between them and the cop empty his gun and still hit nothing but air.

Goes back to my point about funding.

Ass? No. I was under the impression you were answering the question I ASKED you.

And her kid? What reason do you give to laud the police officer for shooting him?








I apologize for misunderstanding. My bad for interpreting the fact that you quoted it as an attempt to respond to my question.

[4nik8]

Ass? No. I was under the impression you were answering the question I ASKED you.

You somehow mistook an answer explaining how bad shooting is linked to underfunding as me praising his shooting of a kid?

Surely you jest.

[Stormcrow]

You somehow mistook an answer explaining how bad shooting is linked to underfunding as me praising his shooting of a kid?

Surely you jest.

And her kid? What reason do you give to laud the police officer for shooting him?

They, like most police precincts, obviously don't get the funding they need to make the cops proficient with their fire arms.

Most cops only get the funding to fire about 4 mags down range, at a stationary object, per YEAR.

He's obviously the product of a tight budget.

And that makes shooting an innocent child OK. Gotcha.







*Psst, it was point blank.

Nope. You made a statement. I asked a simple question. You replied by quoting that question. I respond to that post saying, in effect, "THAT was your answer?" Then you replied again with insults. (I didn't post that quote...it's only only a couple up you see.)

I mistook nothing except your grasp of the proper way to hold a conversation it would seem. ie If you respond to a question, what you say, no matter it's relevance, will be assumed as your answer to said question.






Let's try this again.

"Nik, if you are justifying the acts of the police officer, please explain how you justify his shooting of the child."

To which a fitting response would be

"I don't. But I do blame it on the officers in that area receiving substandard weapons training. It's a shame a child had to suffer, but I still stand by my statements concerning his mother."

Or maybe even

"He is the spawn of a loony assed drunk criminal, and is destined to grow up that way any way. Maybe this can be seen as a 'preemptive lesson' about that sort of behaviour."

Just a couple examples. But you will notice that both responses, though completely opposite in nature, fully fulfill their purpose of answering the question asked, thus eliminating confusion.

[4nik8]

A bunch of blather

What part of
They, like most police precincts, obviously don't get the funding they need to make the cops proficient with their fire arms did you not understand as me saying I didn't approve of the kid getting shot?

Really. It's pretty straight forward.

[Stormcrow]

What part of
did you not understand as me saying I didn't approve of the kid getting shot?

Really. It's pretty straight forward.

What is straightforward is the fact that I asked "And her kid? What reason do you give to laud the police officer for shooting him?"

And you said because he wasn't properly trained.

That , as an answer to the question I actually asked, means "It's OK that he shot the kid because he wasn't properly trained."

Jesus Christ man! And to think of all the time you spend harping on people about their grammar, while the whole time, your grasp of the English language is clearly tentative at best.


Stop being an ass hole a READ the shit on the screen. Nobody was trying to "Flame" with you. Some of us enjoy discussing a topic without going for the throat once in a while.

[4nik8]

What is straightforward is the fact that I asked "And her kid? What reason do you give to laud the police officer for shooting him?"

And you said because he wasn't properly trained.

That , as an answer to the question I actually asked, means "It's OK that he shot the kid because he wasn't properly trained."

Jesus Christ man! And to think of all the time you spend harping on people about their grammar, while the whole time, your grasp of the English language is clearly tentative at best.


Stop being an ass hole a READ the shit on the screen. Nobody was trying to "Flame" with you. Some of us enjoy discussing a topic without going for the throat once in a while.

Really?

You were being an ASS with your first statement.
"And that makes shooting an innocent child OK. Gotcha. "

And for someone who doesn't "want to flame" you sure are throwing some incendiary comments.

If you want to try and come off as a condescending douche bag, I'll be more than happy to cut your ass down to size.

I don't know what the fuck your problem is but I'm about tired of being nice through your tantrums.

[CULPRITE_INC]

So?

She didn't know he was a cop when she started her shit.
so on those grounds its ok for the cop to shot her?
She's still as dangerous except now she's got bullet scars.
her problem, agree.
Is he supposed to evade motorists because they flip the fuck out and act retarded?
Not entirely, but he should be able to get out of a so called death trap, witch made him feel the need for deadly force.
Should YOU have to haul ass and hide from a nut job chick because she thinks you done her wrong?
not saying i do, but i dont have the right to shot her and her kid do i?
Keep in mind, she's drunk as fuck and doing her wrong might entail nothing more than passing her.

Fuck that stupid whore.

I wish the cop would have fired ONE bullet.

Right between her hazed, blood shot eyes.

He had no right nik.

[TOAO]

As far as "her being drunk," neither one of them showed signs of intoxication, but they tested her, yet didn't test him. For all we know, he had just as much, if not more alcohol in him.

If it wasn't a cop, she probably wouldn't have been tested at all, and he'd be up for assault with a firearm, attempted murder, etc.

[gigman]

Here is an earlier story on it.


http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/northcounty/20080417-9999-1m17silva.html


Kind of hard to believe you had to shoot someone because they are going to run you over, when you shoot them through the passenger window. Where her kid was sitting.

http://i41.tinypic.com/2nvt3yw.jpg

They have yet to realease the parking lot video, but he probably did the first shot through the side window, and the rest as she was backing up, trying to get away.

A car is considered a deadly weapon when threatening to run over someone with it. She is the one guilty.

Your hate for cops is the only thing standing in the way of reason.

[LEFT]

just a thought...

even the most proficeient police man or soldier, when confronted with a deadly confrontation is subject to panic

they stand their ground anyway

all this talk of "shooting to wound" is flat stoopid

CENTER OF MASS

This woman used her vehicle in an aggresive, life threatening manner. He identified himself as a policeman. She took it a step further. The policeman stood his ground in spite of the fact that he could have fled to ensure she was no longer a threat to him and the community at large.

He did the correct thing.

[CULPRITE_INC]

A car is considered a deadly weapon when threatening to run over someone with it. She is the one guilty.

Your hate for cops is the only thing standing in the way of reason.

when you are a pedestrian.

[StoneTheCrow]

Damn, there is some blood thirsty mother fuckers in the world.

[TOAO]

"Your hate for cops is the only thing standing in the way of reason. "

As usual, mister judgemental rides again.

As far as the car being a deadly weapon.

#1 how was he in danger of bieng killed if he didn't get out of the car, and start waving a gun around to intimidate her?

#2 how are you in danger of being ran over if you can fire a shot through the side window?




Like I said in the first post, there is obviously an overwhelming amount of evidence to bring a cop to trial in the first place, and he's been caught in more than one lie about it.

[Stormcrow]

Really?

You were being an ASS with your first statement.
"And that makes shooting an innocent child OK. Gotcha. "

And for someone who doesn't "want to flame" you sure are throwing some incendiary comments.

If you want to try and come off as a condescending douche bag, I'll be more than happy to cut your ass down to size.

I don't know what the fuck your problem is but I'm about tired of being nice through your tantrums.
It's funny, the things you consider "being an ass"

I merely respond appropriately to your posts. Sorry if it hurts your widdle feewings.:sad: But please, do try to cut me down to size (My "size" by the way, is "God Sized." This is MY world right here.) . It should be pretty entertaining to see how you deal with someone who won't tuck tail and run from your over aggressive, but largely pointless "pwnage"

You haven't made a single "nice" post toward me in weeks, and you have a great deal of nerve referring to my "tantrums." I can point to the very post that flipped your switch to "attack mode"

Frankly, I think you need to take your Meds and calm the fuck down, but if you're really feeling that froggy, bring it, Bitch.

[TOAO]

VISTA ---- San Diego police Officer Frank White testified Tuesday about the mounting fear he felt as an "enraged" driver used her car to threaten him during a road-rage clash that left him "terrified" to the point he had to shoot the woman.

"When this person looked at me, I just saw the rage and determination, and just out of their mind," White testified during his felony criminal trial for shooting the woman on March 15, 2008.

"I thought, 'If this person gets a chance to kill me, they are gonna kill me.' "

On cross-examination, the officer ---- who was off-duty, out of uniform and in his personal car with his wife during the shooting ---- said he pulled his gun, in part, to scare off the woman, Rachel Silva. He did not pull out his police badge, he said, because it was in his back pocket and difficult to reach.

"There was a lot of things to consider," White replied, when the prosecutor asked why he didn't show the woman his badge. "It happened really fast."

White's testimony, coming Tuesday during his trial in a Vista courtroom, marked the first time the 29-year-old officer has publically told his side of the story since shooting Silva and her 8-year-old son during the road-rage clash in an Oceanside parking lot.

White said Silva ---- so enraged during the encounter that veins were "popped out of her neck," he said ---- used her car "as a deadly weapon" against him, leaving him "scared."

He said he was defending himself and his wife against Silva's "aggressive, assaultive behavior."

He spent nearly five hours on the witness stand and will return to it again Wednesday morning to finish his testimony.

The officer has been charged with negligently firing a gun ---- a felony ---- along with a misdemeanor charge of brandishing the weapon.

White, who faces up to nine years in prison if convicted, is the first peace officer charged in San Diego County in more than a decade for firing at a perceived aggressor.

In front of a full courtroom, White's voice mostly stayed firm as he told the jury of nine women and three men details of his account, from the time Silva started to follow him after a perceived driving slight, to the time he fired his weapon just after 9 p.m. on a Saturday.

Silva, he said, began tailgating, revving her engine, screeching her tires and screaming at him. He said he drove slowly through the parking lot hoping that Silva, a stranger to him, would feel that she made her point and give up the chase. She did not ---- so he told his wife to call 911.

He said his mind raced with possibilities as to who this woman was and why she was chasing him. Perhaps, he said, it was a case of mistaken identity. Perhaps it was road rage. Perhaps it was someone he'd previously arrested who had held a grudge.

According to testimony, Silva blocked White's car and then clipped it with hers during the bizarre slow-speed pursuit in front of a Lowe's home improvement store.

White said he pointed his gun at her, shouted to her that he was a police officer and ordered her to stop.

"I didn't see any reaction," White said of Silva. "It indicated to me that she was so angry, she didn't care that I had a gun."

It is unclear if Silva saw the gun at that point. She has not made any official statements that have been made public. And her young son testified last week that seconds before the shooting, he saw the gun ---- and screamed at his mom to tell her.

White said he tried to get out of his car, but didn't get a chance to for fear he could have been crushed as Silva quickly backed up, positioning her car parallel alongside his door, within inches of him.

Her car scraped against his ---- and that, he said, is when he started shooting, emptying his five-shot revolver into Silva's car.

White, who has two young sons, said he had not seen Silva's boy in the front seat. Learning that he had shot the third-grader, he said, left him "devastated."

"I had no idea there was a child in the car," White said, his voice cracking slightly. "As a parent, I can't even imagine someone putting a kid in that situation."

White paused, took two deep breaths, and then continued.

"I just, if I had seen the kid," he said, "I think I would have let my leg get taken off before I shot into that car."

On cross-examination, the prosecutor, Deputy District Attorney Jeff Dusek, repeatedly asked White why he had not tried to diffuse the situation without using his gun.

"None of it was working: the turning, the driving, me trying not to provoke her," White said. "I felt like it was escalating, so I pulled out my gun."

White said he pulled out his gun for two reasons: to either detain Silva until uniformed officers arrived or to make her go away.

"You wanted to scare her so she would leave?" Dusek asked.

"I wanted her to stop," White replied.

"And leave?" Dusek asked.

"That would have been good," White answered.

White said he identified himself to Silva by shouting commands such as "Police! Stop!"

He said he threw his car into reverse, so he would have room to open his door and get out of the car. And that, he said, is when Silva backed up her silver Honda, side-swiping his Mercury Milan.

White fired his gun, shattering the glass of his rolled-up driver's side window.

"I remember shooting at the car as it is hitting me," he said, later adding that he was shocked when he eventually saw the damage to the two cars wasn't much more severe than scrapes and dings and a broken mirror casing on Silva's car.

Silva has invoked her legal right against self-incrimination and thus is not expected to testify. For her role in the confrontation, she has pleaded guilty to felony child endangerment and misdemeanor drunken driving. Blood tests showed Silva was legally too drunk to drive at the time of the incident, and she had marijuana and methamphetamine in her system.

State prosecutors declined to charge her with assault with a deadly weapon for her use of the car in the incident.

Silva faces up to four years in prison when she is sentenced in July.


"On cross-examination, the officer ---- who was off-duty, out of uniform and in his personal car with his wife during the shooting ---- said he pulled his gun, in part, to scare off the woman, Rachel Silva. He did not pull out his police badge, he said, because it was in his back pocket and difficult to reach."



This should be assault with a firearm, with a "great bodily injury" enhancement. and with anyone else, it would be. And keep in mind, he fired through his closed window, so she probably couldn't hear his "claims" of saying he's a cop. since he probably didn't. After all, he originally lied about not being able to see inside the car because the windows were tinted, and they were. He also originally lied about the damage. Plus he shot through the side window, and then continued to shoot at her as she was trying to get away from someone branding and firing a gun at her.

If this clown gets 9 years, he's getting off easy. but unfortunately, there are a lot of stupid people that will automatically side with the police.


Even in the Craig Peyer case in San Diego, people tried to say Cara Knottt was "asking for it."


On the night of December 27, 1986, Knott was driving from her boyfriend's home in Escondido to her parents' home in El Cajon, California on Interstate 15 when Peyer, on duty in a marked CHP patrol car, signalled Knott to pull off the freeway on an isolated offramp. It later came to light that the officer had been previously harassing women drivers in the same area, pulling them over on the same isloated offramp and apparently trying to pick them up as dates. It is believed that the situation escalated when Knott threatened to report Peyer for unprofessional behavior, and that he killed her by bludgeoning her with his flashlight and then strangling her with rope and then he threw her body off an abandoned bridge into the brush below in an attempt to avoid disciplinary action.

Ironically, two days later, while covering the investigation of the murder, a reporter for KCST-TV interviewed Peyer during a ride-along segment about self-protection for female drivers. At the time of this interview Peyer had scratches on his face which, as details of the case unfolded, were believed to have been inflicted by Knott during her struggle with the officer. He tried to explain them away by saying he fell against a fence on the CHP parking lot but the fence was found to be too high to be consistent with the scratches.

Just after the broadcast nearly two dozen calls, mostly from women, called to complain that Peyer was the officer who pulled them over on that same offramp, although in none of these cases was Peyer hostile or violent towards them. Another witness said he saw a patrol car going off that area with a Volkswagen Beetle believed to be Cara's about the time the murder was known to have occurred. Peyer's own log showed a hasty erasure about that time and change to a ticket he had actually written some time later. A rope found in his patrol car seemed to match the rope marks around her neck. Gold fibers on Cara's dress matched the gold braid on his CHP uniform shoulder patch. He had tried to minimize fiber transfer but did not notice that the fibers on his shoulder patch stuck to her dress. Peyer's fellow officers testified to the defendant's strange behavior following the murder, with his continuous requests regarding the investigation's status and his attempts to justify the perpetrator's crime as a mistake.

The first trial resulted in a hung jury. Upon retrial, testimony regarding a potential second suspect and a hearsay explanation for the defendant's scratches was ruled inadmissible, and Peyer was found guilty of murder. In 1988, Peyer was sentenced to 25 years to life.

Though continuing to claim his innocence, in 2004 Peyer was asked if he would contribute a sample of his DNA to a county program that was designed to use DNA samples to possibly exonerate wrongfully imprisoned persons. Peyer refused to provide any DNA for the test. There was a reason for this request. Spots of blood were found on the bottom of Cara's dress and on her shoe. Subsequent pre-DNA testing found it to be Type AB negative, Peyer's blood type. When asked, at a subsequent parole hearing, why he had refused, Peyer remained silent

[LEFT]

...perhaps we might all agree that a certain faith in our judicial system might be appropriate?

when it's all said and done

justice will prevail




some of y'all make me afraid when you talk all mean at each other

[TOAO]

The Goldman & Brown families will tend to disagree.

[TOAO]

This cop talking about being so frightend over a skinny little bitch and her son kind of reminds me of the guy on an airplane that was visciously assaulted and intimidated by Richard simmons.

I don't care how well you spin it, when you look at the overall picture, it's laughable.

[gigman]

when you are a pedestrian.

It's a deadly weapon anytime you use it to or threaten to ram someone.

Dip shit.:neutral:

[gigman]

It's funny, the things you consider "being an ass"

I merely respond appropriately to your posts. Sorry if it hurts your widdle feewings.:sad: But please, do try to cut me down to size (My "size" by the way, is "God Sized." This is MY world right here.) . It should be pretty entertaining to see how you deal with someone who won't tuck tail and run from your over aggressive, but largely pointless "pwnage"

You haven't made a single "nice" post toward me in weeks, and you have a great deal of nerve referring to my "tantrums." I can point to the very post that flipped your switch to "attack mode"

Frankly, I think you need to take your Meds and calm the fuck down, but if you're really feeling that froggy, bring it, Bitch.

Well. Look who wants to act like they've grown a pair.

It's amusing that you you think I've even hit attack mode, especially where you're concerned. I've noticed some half assed pot shots coming from you when shown how ignorant your stance on gun control is.

The mere fact that you can't even own up to wanting to control guns gives me the hugest laugh.

You state all kinds of ways to control guns from laws to etching bullets etc and then try to say you're just against unjustified shootings of criminals.

THAT'S where your ass got raw and you started acting like a little kid, whining and kicking and throwing tantrums because you didn't get your way.
Had I known you were that immature in the first place, I doubt I'd have put as much stock on you as I initially did.

Hell, I guess we all make judgment errors.

As for the rest of your self serving blather, blow me.

:pop:

[TOAO]

Actually, in other parts of california, they stopped considering it a deadly weapon, because it was beginning to seem more like a reason to get away with shooting someone.

And in this case, he was inside the car, the speeds were around 10 miles per hour, and there was no real damage. so it was far from deadly. This was more of a situation where you use your finger, but not on a trigger.

He shot two people, one of them a child. He deserves to get assraped in prison.

[4nik8]

Wow. Look at this gem :




Jesus Christ man! And to think of all the time you spend harping on people about their grammar, while the whole time, your grasp of the English language is clearly tentative at best.


You know what had me laughing the hardest about that little attempt there?

This post:

Imma rain myself in before I begin a pompous rant. :lol: Kudos on the topic BTW Aper.


CLEARLY you are the one to judge who has a grip on the English language.
How could I ever compete with someone THIS advanced? It shook me to my foundation to have someone like you call me out on that....let me assure you.


I merely respond appropriately to your posts. Sorry if it hurts your widdle feewings.
That last part. Seriously.

Ya see, I'd first have to give a fuck what you think about me in order for anything you say to hurt my feelings. I honestly care more about what the color of the last shit I took was than what your opinion of me is. By the way, the only thing I even bother to notice on the used toilet paper is whether or not it's clean.



But please, do try to cut me down to size (My "size" by the way, is "God Sized." This is MY world right here.)

God sized? Really?
Might wanna get that delusions of grandeur thing checked out, bro. Take some of the meds ya offered me.



. It should be pretty entertaining to see how you deal with someone who won't tuck tail and run.

Yeah. Bush doesn't "tuck tail and run" either. Right now you sound about as threatening as he does.

You haven't made a single "nice" post toward me in weeks, and you have a great deal of nerve referring to my "tantrums."

1st of all, I noticed your pussy getting raw a couple weeks back.
That's why I PM'd you to make sure you understood what was being said was purely for the boards. You assured me that you had a grip on things and that everything was copacetic as far as you were concerned.

Since then, you've had fit after fit, laying shit out in the threads telling me I'M the one having a tantrum. I haven't noticed ME crying about how things have been handled on here.


It's amusing that you you think I've even hit attack mode, especially where you're concerned. I've noticed some half assed pot shots coming from you when shown how ignorant your stance on gun control is.

The mere fact that you can't even own up to wanting to control guns gives me the hugest laugh.

You state all kinds of ways to control guns from laws to etching bullets etc and then try to say you're just against unjustified shootings of criminals.

THAT'S where your ass got raw and you started acting like a little kid, whining and kicking and throwing tantrums because you didn't get your way.
Had I known you were that immature in the first place, I doubt I'd have put as much stock on you as I initially did.

Hell, I guess we all make judgment errors.

As for the rest of your self serving blather, blow me.
You want it "bitch"? There it is.

[LEFT]

well maybe...

I'm thinking more like one less meth-head out there driving around with a child in her car.

I absolutely see the unpleasantness of it all. How it escalated. How it all happened...

The real question for me would be a determination as to whether he acted as a policeman or as a person using his badge as a weapon.

That is what a jury's job is.

I have faith in the jury.



As for the unfortunate Mr Simpson? I believe very strongly in the theory that what goes around comes around in spades (no pun intended). He thought he got away with it (?) and ends up a prisoner the rest of his life anyway (has he been sentenced in the Las Vegas thing yet?).

look

I don't know from

I'm just typing thoughts.

[4nik8]

so on those grounds its ok for the cop to shot her?

Not entirely, but he should be able to get out of a so called death trap, witch made him feel the need for deadly force.

not saying i do, but i dont have the right to shot her and her kid do i?

He had no right nik.

Not on the grounds that she didn't know he was a cop. On the grounds that she hounded him and blocked him in. That's what gave him the right to shoot her.

So, wait. Because he's a cop he should go above and beyond to get away from a psycho bitch?
I don't follow that thinking.

Hell yes, you would have had a right to shoot her. If she would have followed you and then blocked you in and either threatened you with the car or anything else you have the right to defend yourself.

[LEFT]

at the risk of....

he did...after all..."shoot to wound"

successfully




ok...sorry. lol

[CULPRITE_INC]

Not on the grounds that she didn't know he was a cop. On the grounds that she hounded him and blocked him in. That's what gave him the right to shoot her.

So, wait. Because he's a cap he should go above and beyond to get away from a psycho bitch?
I don't follow that thinking.

Hell yes, you would have had a right to shoot her. If she would have followed you and then blocked you in and either threatened you with the car or anything else you have the right to defend yourself.

So with that logic, every one who gets into a traffic incident should shot the other person?

if they had be going 30 mph or some thing i could understand his actions, but under ten, your not going to die, hell i just got back from a demo derby, and ten mph dont do shit to a car.

[gigman]

Not on the grounds that she didn't know he was a cop. On the grounds that she hounded him and blocked him in. That's what gave him the right to shoot her.

So, wait. Because he's a cap he should go above and beyond to get away from a psycho bitch?
I don't follow that thinking.

Hell yes, you would have had a right to shoot her. If she would have followed you and then blocked you in and either threatened you with the car or anything else you have the right to defend yourself.I can agree with that.

[gigman]

So with that logic, every one who gets into a traffic incident should shot the other person?

if they had be going 30 mph or some thing i could understand his actions, but under ten, your not going to die, hell i just got back from a demo derby, and ten mph dont do shit to a car.
Stay with us Culp. It wasn't a traffic accident.

[4nik8]

So with that logic, every one who gets into a traffic incident should shot the other person?

You call what she did just a traffic incident?

[Blood]

He's saying should road rage always be addressed by shooting each other....smart asses.:tongue:

[4nik8]

Cussing at me? Nah. I'll just flip you off.

Chase me down and block me in, then act like you're either gonna ram me or come after me?

I'll let out some of that extra blood you carry around in your body.

[CULPRITE_INC]

He's saying should road rage always be addressed by shooting each other....smart asses.:tongue:

Thank you for being able to read and comprehend.

[Stormcrow]

You want it "bitch"? There it is.

That's it???

I expected better, but I should have known. Without your legendary "intimidation" factor in play, you're left with nothing more than an over inflated ego that you try to pass off as "wit," and what are either blatant lies, or a prime example of you not reading a fucking thing. Pathetic really, but I'll respond to your bullshit. One...more...time.



*Gasp!* I misspelled a word! And you went back that far to find it. Nice work grammar cop.


Your bullshit started when you realized that I would never be swayed by your thinking. You simply can't handle not being "the winner." When you went off your "cool" was, very specifically, when I laughed at you for posting an entire page in a debate all by your lonesome, then informed you that I was taking a break from it. Every post directed at me, by you, since then, has been demeaning & hateful. You can deny it, but the archives prove you wrong. Yup, you have absolutely no emotional reaction to my posts. ;)


God sized? Yeah. No delusion. Have you forgotten where you are?

I PM'd you, informing you that your repeated attacks on me were horse shit, I also recommended that you check your shit. Or have you forgotten.


You poke, I punch. I'm sick of you polluting my site with your negative bullshit, you see? And every time I refused to agree with your twisted ass values concerning human life, you come back with insults. I, most naturally, insult you in response. Deal with it.

I "can't own up" to being in favor of gun control? More evidence of you not reading. I not only own up to, but proudly state, that I am in FULL SUPPORT of more stringent gun control measures. Up to, and including, forcing people like YOU to be held responsible for their weapons and actions.

The rest is pure horse shit. "My raw ass" is a direct result of you hijacking thread after thread to continue your onslaught of posts about how much I hate guns & liberty. Including this one. I once again apologize for asking a question using words that lie outside the realm of your Googled vocabulary, but I type like I speak. So sue me.

Damn shame when you can't baffle your opponent with bullshit or threaten them with your Ban stick, ehh?


Oh, and I meant it about Hijacking & polluting my threads. If you choose to respond to this post with more assumption & lies based on yet another post you couldn't be bothered to read and comprehend (like you can help yourself), I demand you fork it. You are officially done ruining the atmosphere of my site just because I don't agree with you.




(Psst, I probably misspelled a word or two in this post as well, but I simply don't care.)

[CULPRITE_INC]

Fuck fuck fuck the 9spelling)police .

[TOAO]

Keep in mind he lied about the tinted windows, and lied about her ramming his car, so heprobasbly lied about a couple other things, like being blocked in a trepped.


for a crazy lady not afraid of anything, she sure had no probablem throwing in in reverse and trying to get out of there when he started shooting at her.

And then got out of their car and kept shooting at her and her kid, as they were backing away.

[4nik8]

:thsmileys159:


http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z292/4nik8_2007/smilies/45.gif


That's the most convoluted, long winded, bunch of horse shit I've read to date that amounts to more of the same.

You whining and crying.

By the way.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/laud

A little grammar lesson for you.

Unless of course you think that cop is god.

[CULPRITE_INC]

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z292/4nik8_2007/smilies/45.gif


That's the most convoluted, long winded, bunch of horse shit I've read to date that amounts to more of the same.

You whining and crying.

By the way.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/laud

A little grammar lesson for you.

Unless of course you think that cop is god.

Isnt this post a little off topic, and not forked as requested...

[Stormcrow]

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z292/4nik8_2007/smilies/45.gif


That's the most convoluted, long winded, bunch of horse shit I've read to date that amounts to more of the same.

You whining and crying.

By the way.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/laud

A little grammar lesson for you.

Unless of course you think that cop is god.

Fail. On all points.

Isnt this post a little off topic, and not forked as requested...

Indeed it is. Kudos for comprehension.


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Personally, I find it very difficult, given what we know about the situation, to make any form of judgment on the officer's behavior. Clearly he felt threatened, but he most certainly over reacted. However, if his aim is so bad that he can't be held responsible for hitting the passenger while firing at the driver at that range, the lives of any innocent bystanders were most definitely in danger as well. That should be considered at any rate. Do we need Police that can't hit the broad side of a barn? Particularly in urban areas where the chances of accidental death are the highest?


Let's raise the bar just a bit guys.

[CULPRITE_INC]

not to mention he fired into the passenger side , right?

[Stormcrow]

not to mention he fired into the passenger side , right?

I was avoiding that aspect of the story in attempt to give the officer the "benefit of the doubt" in my post.

[CULPRITE_INC]

oh ok :wink:

[4nik8]

Fail. On all points.

lol at YOU saying this! That's precious.

Just for future reference, when trying to portray yourself as significant and able to hold your own, you may want to have a core argument that doesn't resemble crying like Chris Crocker defending Brittany Spears.


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The cop obviously felt threatened but, as far as over reacting, I don't think so. He did what he felt necessary, given the situation, to protect his wife and himself. He already tried getting away from the crazy bitch but she wasn't having any of that.



When Cops have shoot outs, there are ALWAYS dangers to the public. That's why they generally try to have the area cleared before it takes place.

What the Cops need is more training. That takes tax payer money though....something most people bitch about already.



It's sad the kid got hit but I guess the silver lining is that he got shot in the arm and didn't end up becoming one with the dashboard as a result of riding around with a road raging, loaded ass mother.

[LEFT]

...now, that there were funny, I don't care you ya are!

"jsut leave her ALONE!

ok,so




back to the fights....

[TOAO]

I've had a few women get all "road rage" on me. i usually just laugh at em. When i took the dogs to the beach and posted thre thread, later in the day with my other dog, I had some weird chick yelling, screaming, revving her car like she's going to hit me, etc. I just sat there thinking "go ahead, hit my car." I gaurantee you I'd have whiplash. Plus would have got my car painted. The last thing i would have did would have been to get out and stand in front of her car though. That's one of the first things you're ever taught, "don't get in front of a moving car.

One Road rage incident I remember was when I was working at night. I guess I didn't take off quick enough, and some chick laid on the horn. So I sat there.
So when i finally took off, she was yelling a bunch of shit, swerving at me, and then threw something at my car. I didn't say anything, or throw anything back, I just pulled in behind her. She ignored me, but then when she turned, I turned. She looked like a tweeker, and took notice. so within a few minutes, she was in a panic, trying to lose me. After a while, she went into a neighborhood, and I noticed a sign that said "no outlet." So I backed in a driveway, and waited. sure enough, after several minutes, she came cruising by. When I popped back up behind her, it was classic. I eventually stopped because she did a couple crazy things, flying through red lights. and it wasn't worth dying over.

bottom line, you don't need a firearm for a chick.

[TOAO]

San Diego police Officer Frank White spent five hours on the witness stand last week. But neither the prosecution nor the defense attorney asked him why, during a confrontation with another driver, he didn't roll down his window before he fired his gun through the glass.

A juror posed the question.

The jurors hearing White's felony criminal case had a couple of more questions for the 29-year-old officer, who is accused of shooting a woman and her child during a parking lot encounter while off duty on March 15, 2008.

The practice of allowing jurors to ask questions of witnesses has created a buzz in the courtroom of Superior Court Judge Harry Elias, who is among the few judges in North County who will tell a jury that they should feel free to submit written questions to him.

And submit they do. How it will affect White's case remains to be seen, but many of the jurors hearing his case appear eager to submit their queries for witnesses.

The officer is accused of gross negligent discharge of a firearm, wounding the driver of the other car, Rachel Silva, and her then-8-year-old son. White was driving to the market with his wife at the time.

Silva is said to have tailgated White's car and threatened to ram it during a bizarre pursuit in an Oceanside parking lot following a perceived slight on the road.

She had alcohol, marijuana and methamphetamine in her system, blood tests showed.

The panel wanted one witness asked whether methamphetamine and marijuana in a person's system can affect the absorption rate of alcohol; it does not, was the reply.

They asked another witness, a woman who said she had a similar 2003 road rage run-in with Silva, what Silva did after throwing a punch at her.

Silva left the scene, was the response.

'A window into a juror's mind'

Letting the jury ask questions of witnesses has been permissible in California for years.

But in 2007, the Judicial Council of California, the state body that runs the courts, changed the rules to not only allow the practice, but to encourage judges to tell the jury that it can ask questions.

Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Jacqueline Connor is a big proponent of the practice.

She sat on a committee that recommended the Judicial Council endorse the practice.

"I have talked to thousands of jurors," Connor said Friday, "and they say they may not ask a question, but the fact that they are able to makes them feel engaged, makes them part of the process."

What's more, she said, "it is a window into a juror's mind."

The practice has a cautious supporter in Michael Crowley, the immediate past president of the San Diego Criminal Defense Bar Association.

"I am enthusiastic about it myself, but I can tell you that there are mixed opinions in the criminal defense bar," Crowley said Friday.

There are fears, he said, that one or two jurors will ask all the questions, inadvertently setting themselves up in a leadership role before deliberations.

Or perhaps, he said, jurors will form opinions by asking questions before the defense gets a chance to share its side of the story.

But on the flip side, he said, the practice has a pretty big benefit.

Jurors, he said, start out as "a tabula rasa, a blank slate."

And the attorneys, after working on the case for months or years before trial, sometimes "are totally missing the forest for the trees and a (jury) question can get it back on track."

Such questioning by juries is standard operating procedure in a military court-martial, seen during the war crimes trials at Camp Pendleton in recent years.

But it is rare enough in civilian jury trials that even experienced court watchers have been taken aback watching jurors in the White trial submit questions.

A stack of questions

This is not new for Elias; it is a practice the North County-based judge has had in place for years.

He was not available to comment Friday as to why he allows it and what sort of effect he thinks it has.

Here's how the process has worked at White's trial: At the end of testimony by a witness, but before the witness leaves the stand, jurors can submit written questions to the courtroom bailiff, who then hands the note to the attorneys.

If neither side has any quibble with the query, the bailiff hands it to Elias, who then asks the question if he finds it passes legal muster.

If either the prosecutor or defense attorney has a problem with the question, they have a private, on-the-record discussion with Elias out of the presence of the jury.

Afterward, Elias either will ask the question or tell the jury that it is a question he cannot ask that particular witness.

At this point, it is unclear which questions are not asked. All the notes with the questions become part of the public record, and are available for public review at the end of the case.

In White's trial, there promises to be a stack of them ---- and not just from one panel member. About half of the jurors have posed written questions so far.

The audience in the courtroom tends to perk up on hearing the jury questions, eager for any hint as to what appears to be important to panel members.

For White, the panel asked him why he didn't roll down his window before firing his gun.

White replied that he hadn't thought of it.

One panel member wanted to know if he heard Silva's tires screeching or if she was yelling at him as he was shouting "Police! Stop!" to identify himself as a cop.

White said he did not recall tires screeching, but remembered that she was "constantly screaming."

The jury had as many questions, if not more, for a police training officer who testified about what police are taught.

Jurors asked San Diego police Sgt. Dan Vega whether police are trained to protect themselves or the public first.

Essentially, it's a tie; they are taught to preserve all human life, but the officer needs to protect himself, Vega said.

The jury also wanted to know if Vega had been White's instructor at the local police academy.

Vega said he had been teaching at the academy when White attended, but did not recall White specifically from among his many trainees.

Testimony in White's trial is scheduled to wrap up Monday.

[4nik8]

bottom line, you don't need a firearm for a chick.

Statements like that don't help your case.

I've seen some tough ass chicks out there and besides, what difference does gender make when they're inside a 3,000 pound vehicle?

[Wednesday]

if he didnt roll down his window how did he say he was a cop before he shot?

[CULPRITE_INC]

Statements like that don't help your case.

I've seen some tough ass chicks out there and besides, what difference does gender make when they're inside a 3,000 pound vehicle?

He was in his own 3k lb death causing machine as well, only he had a bullet throwing machine with him... dip shit.

[TOAO]

I said "chick," not "hermaphrodite"

and it's hard to say the car is a weapon when you are both in one, and they are side by side.

Exactly Basil. Both of the windows were rolled up. and keep in mind, the dude was probably loaded. That's why it is funny they said neither showed signs of intoxication, but they only tested the victim.

Showing a badge would have probably shut her ass up pretty quick.

[4nik8]

He was in his own 3k lb death causing machine as well, only he had a bullet throwing machine with him... dip shit.




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[4nik8]

I said "chick," not "hermaphrodite"



Hermaphrodite?

A chick that could beat your ass has to be a sexual oddity?


This chick definitely doesn't have a penis and could also definitely kick your ass.

As I said. There are some tough as females out there.

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and it's hard to say the car is a weapon when you are both in one, and they are side by side.

Showing a badge would have probably shut her ass up pretty quick.

It's hard o say that they would have STAYED side by side as well.

She's already shown a penchant for violence. Who's to say it wouldn't have escalated?

Especially since she was drunk and had METH in her system.

EITHER of those make for highly volatile, let alone unpredictable, situations.

[CULPRITE_INC]

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Wow, you really must have had the bottom of the barrel reading and comprehending scores when you were in middle school huh? Maybe, just maybe you can read now, but understanding what any one writes is beyond your under privileged mind. I would love to see you try and put some thing together using written directions, you would probably sip all the parts you didn't want to hear, believe in, and prove your theories wrong, then after you put what ever it is you were trying to put to gather, you would probable push it on every one else saying its the fucking best. Disregarding the total fact it was an obvious failure and death trap....



Now since your unrelenting ability to look passed the point, and come to your own, ass backwards conclusions one, means your not a total retard, and two proves to me that your a fucking imbicile.

That point in mind I will spell what i said to you before, with a little more emphasis on the things i mean, and ill keep the three sylible words at a minumum ...

T-h-e c-o-p w-a-s i-n h-i-s o-w-n, hay pay attention you pea brained mother fucker, we are only mid sentence here... t-h-r-e-e t-h-o-u-s-a-n-d p-o-u-n-d v-e-h-i-c-l-e, s-o t-h-e-y a-r-e a-t e-v-e-n t-e-r-m-s. ok if you still didnt get that then here...


THE COP WAS IN HIS OWN THREE THOUSAND POUND VEHICLE, SO THEY ARE AT EVEN TERMS.

Lets see if i can make this even easier for you. Shal we?

She has big car, he has big car, there for hers is not a weapon.


come on skippy do not let the fact that kids use to call you slow in school keep you down in life. grow the fuck up.

[CULPRITE_INC]

Hermaphrodite?

A chick that could beat your ass has to be a sexual oddity?


This chick definitely doesn't have a penis and could also definitely kick your ass.

As I said. There are some tough as females out there.

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It's hard o say that they would have STAYED side by side as well.

She's already shown a penchant for violence. Who's to say it wouldn't have escalated?

Especially since she was drunk and had METH in her system.

EITHER of those make for highly volatile, let alone unpredictable, situations.
He knew none of this when he fired on her.

[4nik8]

Wow, you really must have had the bottom of the barrel reading and comprehending scores when you were in middle school huh? Maybe, just maybe you can read now, but understanding what any one writes is beyond your under privileged mind. I would love to see you try and put some thing together using written directions, you would probably sip all the parts you didn't want to hear, believe in, and prove your theories wrong, then after you put what ever it is you were trying to put to gather, you would probable push it on every one else saying its the fucking best. Disregarding the total fact it was an obvious failure and death trap....



Now since your unrelenting ability to look passed the point, and come to your own, ass backwards conclusions one, means your not a total retard, and two proves to me that your a fucking imbicile.

That point in mind I will spell what i said to you before, with a little more emphasis on the things i mean, and ill keep the three sylible words at a minumum ...

T-h-e c-o-p w-a-s i-n h-i-s o-w-n, hay pay attention you pea brained mother fucker, we are only mid sentence here... t-h-r-e-e t-h-o-u-s-a-n-d p-o-u-n-d v-e-h-i-c-l-e, s-o t-h-e-y a-r-e a-t e-v-e-n t-e-r-m-s. ok if you still didnt get that then here...


THE COP WAS IN HIS OWN THREE THOUSAND POUND VEHICLE, SO THEY ARE AT EVEN TERMS.

Lets see if i can make this even easier for you. Shal we?

She has big car, he has big car, there for hers is not a weapon.


come on skippy do not let the fact that kids use to call you slow in school keep you down in life. grow the fuck up.



What an articulate post. I'm positive your parents must be elated. I mean, who wouldn't be proud of a person who is, at once, so incredibly well spoken and obviously has a firm grip on reality.

My suggestion to you would be that before you respond, take a remedial fucking physics class. Then come back and make a post when you have at least the grasp of a 4th grade drop out, you walking advertisement for retro abortions.



Are you seriously that fucking stupid?

[4nik8]

He knew none of this when he fired on her.

No....what he knew was the bitch was acting fucking psychotic and making every effort to assault him.

[CULPRITE_INC]

What an articulate post. I'm positive your parents must be elated. I mean, who wouldn't be proud of a person who is, at once, so incredibly well spoken and obviously has a firm grip on reality.

My suggestion to you would be that before you respond, take a remedial fucking physics class. Then come back and make a post when you have at least the grasp of a 4th grade drop out, you walking advertisement for retro abortions.



Are you seriously that fucking stupid?

Are you dingle nut? 10 mile per hour next to you cant do a fucking thing, might dent your shit up a bit, and a little whiplash, but your not going to scrape together and explode(pinto's excluded). With that being said, How can you say it is deadly, hell I was hit by a car going 35 to 40 mile per hour, and i am still here. YOUR point is null and fucking void MR. high and mighty. eat a dick, bitch ass forum maid.

[CULPRITE_INC]

No....what he knew was the bitch was acting fucking psychotic and making every effort to assault him.

Every effort? Was she beating his car with a baseball bat? was she pointing a gun at him, was she ramming his car into oncoming traffic, was she running up over his car like a monster truck?
no she wasn't she was still acting a fool , but not in any way shape for form " making every effort to assault him"


And another question is you are able to follow me here, how the fuck did he identify him self with his window down?

[4nik8]

Are you dingle nut? 10 mile per hour next to you cant do a fucking thing, might dent your shit up a bit, and a little whiplash, but your not going to scrape together and explode(pinto's excluded). With that being said, How can you say it is deadly, hell I was hit by a car going 35 to 40 mile per hour, and i am still here.

I see you failed to take the advice of understanding how a 3000 pound car can be used as a weapon.

It was 10 miles an hour at that point because he stopped the shit from going any further.

Had he not had the gun and hauled ass again.....are you saying she wouldn't have ramped up her shit?

You haven't a clue what she might do. I'm speaking about what she has the ABILITY to do.
And just because you don't think you had any ill effects from the car incident doesn't mean it's so.
See quote below.


YOUR point is null and fucking void MR. high and mighty. eat a dick, bitch ass forum maid.

Hey, stupid ass.
You've been warned about making reference to my duties here.
Maybe it was the obvious brain injury you sustained from the hit by the car.

What ever the case, separate your stupidity from involving references to my MOD duties, you fucking waste of human flesh.

[4nik8]

Every effort? Was she beating his car with a baseball bat? was she pointing a gun at him, was she ramming his car into oncoming traffic, was she running up over his car like a monster truck?
no she wasn't she was still acting a fool , but not in any way shape for form " making every effort to assault him"

Listen. I realize you have limited intellect. Maybe the idea of trying to get away from someone to only have them keep tailing you is completely fucking lost on you.

THAT is the effort I referred to. Constantly tailing him and then smashing into his car with hers. It's obvious she didn't just misjudge the distance between cars when pulling along side.

Any bitch dumb enough to not only take her kid along while drunk, then involve the kid in a chase and subsequent use of the car as a weapon is obviously off her fucking rocker and prone to do just about anything.



And another question is you are able to follow me here, how the fuck did he identify him self with his window down?

Hey, dumb ass.
Are you under the mistaken belief that I was somehow here and can answer that?

As far as I'm concerned, I really don't give a flying fuck if he identified himself or not.

I'm looking at it from the perspective of "What if this happened to me".
I wouldn't have shit to identify except the target.

[CULPRITE_INC]

I see you failed to take the advice of understanding how a 3000 pound car can be used as a weapon.

It was 10 miles an hour at that point because he stopped the shit from going any further.

Had he not had the gun and hauled ass again.....are you saying she wouldn't have ramped up her shit?

You haven't a clue what she might do. I'm speaking about what she has the ABILITY to do.
And just because you don't think you had any ill effects from the car incident doesn't mean it's so.
See quote below.



Hey, stupid ass.
You've been warned about making reference to my duties here.
Maybe it was the obvious brain injury you sustained from the hit by the car.

What ever the case, separate your stupidity from involving references to my MOD duties, you fucking waste of human flesh.

First off dick vomit This has nothing to do with your "duties" I was mearly poking fun at you how i see fit, witch you seem to have the right to do. BLOW ME.

Being a man of the law he should know the proper procedure to do before pulling an side arm. you know identifying him self, call for an on duty cop.

As far as what she could have done, what else could he have done besides potential taking a life?

[4nik8]

First off dick vomit This has nothing to do with your "duties" I was mearly poking fun at you how i see fit, witch you seem to have the right to do. BLOW ME.

Dude.
I'm honestly at a loss to understand how you don't think "forum maid" is, in any way, a reference to my duties here.

I will say this as clearly as I possibly can ....just for you.


References to MODS, their abilities, their duties, functions, actions etc will not be tolerated because it leads to situations where there is no control on the boards.


Do it again and it will fall, as prescribed by Storm, under a "spam" violation and will be dealt with accordingly.



I don't give a fuck what you say about ME...personally. Have at it. Just try and be a bit more original than you have been.

As far as flaming you, well, that's just too easy because you're so incredibly unoriginal, simple, bland and boring.



As far as what she could have done, what else could he have done besides potential taking a life?

As far as I'm concerned, he did everything he should have. He tried to get away from the bitch; only to have her follow him and continue to assault him when he came to a stop.

[CULPRITE_INC]

no where did i call you a mod, or noting of the likes, I call you a forum maid because your a grammar nazi, get it straight dumb fuck. now seeing as this has nothing to do with my point or the point on the thread, I will digress.

I am not saying she deserves to be a golden mother or some shit, I just think he should not have discharged his fire arm.

if every one, who gets passed, cut off, or double parked in front of, shoot the other person we might all be dead.

[Deems]

I disagree . The cop was just . There is NO reason to discredit him or further bother his family with this.

Cop shot first thru his window as Stupid bitch sideswiped him. Window of her passengerside was up and it was VERY tinted. Cop never saw the child, who shouldnt have been in the front seat to begin with.

This roadrage drunk started it. She should not have been behind the wheel, or had her child with her. She initiated the bullshit game of almost hitting the cop's car. Drunklady scared copwife and cop was defending his family. drunklady used a car( which IS a weapon) and copper used his piece. Both deadly force.

A cop is really NEVER off duty. This is why they do not patrole in an area that they live in. their phone/addresses are NOT in public listings. They are targets to anyone with a grudge. ( such as.... " you put my Timmy away for 20 years, its all your fault" this type of grudge)

This lady started it and victimized herself,her kid, the officer and his wife.

My question in this ? Why was the first 911 call not responded to in time? When was the first and second calls made? How much time between the two? This brings me to , how often you MUST defend yourself.By the time 911 gets there... its over. The cops just help pick up pieces and make reports.

[CULPRITE_INC]

deems your point is valid with the time it takes cops to do any thing, but for example if you get a bike stolen, they don't give a shit hell you got to wait 24 to 48 hours before reporting a missing persons even if you say some one get snatched

[4nik8]

no where did i call you a mod, or noting of the likes, I call you a forum maid because your a grammar nazi, get it straight dumb fuck.

Culp. Grammar nazi and forum maid have exactly NOTHING to do with each other.

Couple that with the post you made, originally, and the reason behind it and you'll admit to what I'm saying.

I'm telling you this (and didn't act on it like I promised before) because I don't want to have to reprimand you.
I've explained the reasons why it's not acceptable and I'll leave your fate up to you.


now seeing as this has nothing to do with my point or the point on the thread, I will digress.

LOL.

Digressing is NOT getting back to the point of the thread.

:xd:


I am not saying she deserves to be a golden mother or some shit, I just think he should not have discharged his fire arm.

if every one, who gets passed, cut off, or double parked in front of, shoot the other person we might all be dead.

You opinion is yours, Culp.
I'm not knocking you for having one.
But, he didn't shoot at her because she passed him....or cut him off.......or double parked.

He shot the crazy bitch because efforts to elude her failed and she upped the ante with her actions after he came to a stop.

Oh...not only does she NOT deserve the "golden mother" she deserves to lose custody of that kid. At least until (after her jail term is over) she completes parenting courses, drug and alcohol treatment with random test and is placed on supervision.....if she's able to abide by all the rules.

The cop shooting the kid was the least of the dangers he's BEEN in with that piece of shit for a mother.

I can only imagine the living situation, the lifestyle and choice of people she's around with that kid, living as a just a fucking METH HEAD......let alone being an obvious drunk who places no priority on his well being.

[CULPRITE_INC]

nik your right, i never said she was a good mother, just didnt deserves a slug.

[4nik8]

nik your right, i never said she was a good mother, just didnt deserves a slug.

She's a piece of shit mom and the cop is a lying ass.

Makes ya proud to be an American, doesn't it?

[Deems]

She's a piece of shit mom and the cop is a lying ass.

Makes ya proud to be an American, doesn't it?

Sheesh! Damn Benji. Its not that bad......
Cujo says I woofs Stephen King!

[CULPRITE_INC]

She's a piece of shit mom and the cop is a lying ass.

Makes ya proud to be an American, doesn't it?

Hell, I was and still kinda am thinking about becoming a sheriff lol

[4nik8]

Hell, I was and still kinda am thinking about becoming a sheriff lol

Do it.

Not bad pay and you get benefits.

Pretty secure job which is something that's quickly going by the wayside in today's economy.

I was going to be a cop in Cali back in 88 or 89.

I did well on my tests, both written and physical, but I had a big problem when it came to getting hired on.

I wasn't a minority or female.

I went into group D.

Minority women went into group A
White women in B
Minority men in C
White men in D

By the way...they retested after they got through hiring from groups A-C...........

[CULPRITE_INC]

I just cant see me being a cop, idk

[Deems]

fireman? Could you see yourself doing that?

[CULPRITE_INC]

fireman? Could you see yourself doing that?

Yes and no, ability to run into a burning building check, ablity to pick up passed out person not so much. bit dont mean i cant train, but its hard to find a hiring one, just our states short money

[Deems]

I dunno Culp, Im trying to figure out the best job for ya . I thought I might have had something with fireman. You get to help people without having to deal with them too much. You get to have your cake and eat it too.


Dont lie.. you really wanna be a Rodeo Clown! ha ha ha ha !

[CULPRITE_INC]

I wouldnt mind that either deems lol

[Stormcrow]

I see you failed to take the advice of understanding how a 3000 pound car can be used as a weapon.

It was 10 miles an hour at that point because he stopped the shit from going any further.

Had he not had the gun and hauled ass again.....are you saying she wouldn't have ramped up her shit?

You haven't a clue what she might do. I'm speaking about what she has the ABILITY to do.
And just because you don't think you had any ill effects from the car incident doesn't mean it's so.
See quote below.




Hey, stupid ass.
You've been warned about making reference to my duties here.
Maybe it was the obvious brain injury you sustained from the hit by the car.

What ever the case, separate your stupidity from involving references to my MOD duties, you fucking waste of human flesh.

Nah, there's nothing wrong with what he said.

[Stormcrow]

Dude.



References to MODS, their abilities, their duties, functions, actions etc will not be tolerated because it leads to situations where there is no control on the boards.




I never wrote a rule proclaiming this. Members have to respect your RULING, not your position. My truest hope is that all members here have the presence of mind to act as the adults they claim to be. You, as a Moderator, are here to protect them from undesirable/illegal content, and help them as needed, not to police them for annoying you.

[CULPRITE_INC]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA EMM ehh umm, well i still think the guy in the forces is going to be pissed off

[4nik8]

Nah, there's nothing wrong with what he said.

I stand corrected.


I never wrote a rule proclaiming this. Members have to respect your RULING, not your position. My truest hope is that all members here have the presence of mind to act as the adults they claim to be. You, as a Moderator, are here to protect them from undesirable/illegal content, and help them as needed, not to police them for annoying you.

Annoying me wasn't an issue.
(check the chat logs)

The issue was what you and I talked about in PM's and then you amended your original post concerning treatment of MODS with:

This extends to your opinion of the job the Mods are doing.


References to MODS, their abilities, their duties, functions, actions etc will not be tolerated because it leads to situations where there is no control on the boards.


I never mentioned "position".



You can see my confusion.

[Stormcrow]

I stand corrected.




Annoying me wasn't an issue.
(check the chat logs)

The issue was what you and I talked about in PM's and then you amended your original post concerning treatment of MODS with:







I never mentioned "position".



You can see my confusion.

Yeah, he called you "Forum Maid" as far as I can tell from this thread. You can see my confusion.

[4nik8]

Yeah, he called you "Forum Maid" as far as I can tell from this thread. You can see my confusion.

Not really.

I already addressed that.

I was referring to your statement about not making a ruling and the post I quoted.

[Stormcrow]

Not really.

I already addressed that.

I was referring to your statement about not making a ruling and the post I quoted.

I'm afraid I'm not following you.

[4nik8]

I'm afraid I'm not following you.


Here goes:


References to MODS, their abilities, their duties, functions, actions etc will not be tolerated because it leads to situations where there is no control on the boards.

To this ^^ statement you said:

I never wrote a rule proclaiming this.

To this ^^ statement, I quoted a PRIOR post of yours:

This extends to your opinion of the job the Mods are doing.

Although it's not a rule, you still addressed it.

The confusion is whether you remembered it, changed your mind about it or still stand by it.

*Obligatory note:

Not in reference as to whether or not "forum maid" should be held as a violation.

[Stormcrow]

Explanation

I got all of that, I just don't see the question.

Opinions about a Moderator's official ruling, and opinions about
how they make them, are not permitted on the board. One warning will be given, after that the post will be reported by the mod, and the member banned until such time as I arrive to make the final ruling.

This in no way protects a Moderator from scrutiny, or ball busting. Even if said ball busting is along the lines of "Admin's li'l bitch" or whatever.

Basically, I'm upholding your rulings as a Mod by making arguing about it akin to "resisting arrest." But if you call a cop a pig, it's not a crime...just a good reason to get smacked with a nightstick.

[4nik8]

I got all of that, I just don't see the question.

Opinions about a Moderator's official ruling, and opinions about
how they make them, are not permitted on the board. One warning will be given, after that the post will be reported by the mod, and the member banned until such time as I arrive to make the final ruling.

That was what I was asking you about. Mainly because you stated it hadn't been made a rule.

This in no way protects a Moderator from scrutiny, or ball busting. Even if said ball busting is along the lines of "Admin's li'l bitch" or whatever.

Basically, I'm upholding your rulings as a Mod by making arguing about it akin to "resisting arrest." But if you call a cop a pig, it's not a crime...just a good reason to get smacked with a nightstick.

That was covered with the obligatory note.

[Stormcrow]

That was what I was asking you about. Mainly because you stated it hadn't been made a rule.

You misunderstood. This rule applied directly, and singularly, to the rulings of Moderators.


That was covered with the obligatory note.

Yeah, I was just being clear. And making a joke at the same time. ;)

[4nik8]

You misunderstood. This rule applied directly, and singularly, to the rulings of Moderators.

I see.

Questioning a ruling is bad.

Badgering a MOD about his status or abilities is good.

Makes perfect sense now.

[Pupperoni]

I see.

Questioning a ruling is bad.

Badgering a MOD about his status or abilities is good.

Makes perfect sense now.

pussy pussy mod

just kidding
jeez

tense down 1150

[Deems]

I see.

Questioning a ruling is bad.

Badgering a MOD about his status or abilities is good.

Makes perfect sense now.

I think the point is .. " forum maid" and a direct hit upon modship are two different things. Culp slid beneath the radar on that one.

[4nik8]

I just like razzing Storm.

[CULPRITE_INC]

I just like razzing nik.

Me to! lol

[4nik8]

I wanna do NIK.

You disgusting bastard.

[CULPRITE_INC]

LOL

[TOAO]

VISTA ---- The bizarre pursuit -- the revving engine, squealing tires and threat of being rammed by a stranger chasing them -- "was very, very scary and terrifying," said the wife of San Diego police Officer Frank White.

"I thought they were going to kill us, that they wanted to kill us," said Jacquellyn White, her voice cracking.

The officer's wife took the stand in a Vista courtroom late Tuesday morning, describing her mounting fear as the other driver targeted her and her husband in a road rage clash that led her husband to empty his five-shot revolver into their assailant's car.

Frank White is charged with a felony for negligently firing his gun at the other driver, Rachel Silva, and her 8-year-old son in the March 15, 2008, clash. White was off duty, out of uniform and in his personal car with his wife, headed to the market at the time of the confrontation, about 9:15 p.m. on a Saturday night.

Before court broke for lunch, Jacquellyn White told the jury about the near-collision on Old Grove Road that led Silva to pursue the Whites through a Lowe's parking lot just south of Highway 76.

In the final few seconds before her husband fired his gun, she said she watched, terrified, as the other car revved its engine, squealed its tires and backed up straight toward her husband as he was getting ready to get out of the car to confront the other driver.

"I thought that they were gonna kill him," she said, sniffling. "I thought he was gonna get squished."

Jacquellyn White is expected to be the last witness to testify for the defense, and her turn on the stand is expected to last through Tuesday afternoon.



Keeping in mind, she never "rammed his car," and was backing up to get away, because he fired a shot at her.

[4nik8]

In the final few seconds before her husband fired his gun, she said she watched, terrified, as the other car revved its engine, squealed its tires and backed up straight toward her husband as he was getting ready to get out of the car to confront the other driver.


Keeping in mind, she never "rammed his car," and was backing up to get away, because he fired a shot at her.

What I'm keeping in mind is your obvious disdain for the police (as evidenced by numerous posts) and the fact that you weren't there.

[CULPRITE_INC]

didnt he say he never herd her squeal her tires?

[4nik8]

didnt he say he never herd her squeal her tires?

You'll have to show me that quote.

[CULPRITE_INC]

"White said he did not recall tires screeching, but remembered that she was "constantly screaming."
there nik

[4nik8]

there nik

It's his old lady saying the tires are squealing.
Different people remember different shit during the same occurrence.

Most people, when asked what they saw, will give different statements concerning color of vehicles, type, number of passengers etc.

Of course, they could both be lying too.

[chi]

The Whites have motive to lie. His freedom and career are on the line.

Wife was lying when she said Silva "backed up straight towards her husband." Eyewitness accounts from non-parties state Silva pulled in parallel to White's car and backed out when he shot them. Physical evidence supports the eyewitness account.

[CULPRITE_INC]

It's his old lady saying the tires are squealing.
Different people remember different shit during the same occurrence.

Most people, when asked what they saw, will give different statements concerning color of vehicles, type, number of passengers etc.

Of course, they could both be lying too.

he has been caught in a lie before , and what chi said amounts to him being in the wrong.0

[TOAO]

their stories continually change. for a start, if he is backing towards her, how did he fire through the windshield?

Plus in the beginning, he couldn't see the kid, because the windows were darkly tinted, since it turned out they weren't, now he could see her clearly enough to see the viens popping out of her neck.

When someone lies on the witness stand, it's perjury. when a cop does it, it's just "oops, my mistake."

[TOAO]

And as far as "disdain for the police"


sure, that can be said on one side. even though it's only slightly true.

But on the other side, is blindly backing the police, even when they are obviously lying.

In this case, we have different versions. It would be nice to say "well why don't we test you both with a polygraph?"

Except that a cop will NEVER take one.

And on top of citizens that will without hesitation take Mrs White's word as true, even though witnesses and physical evidence show otherwise, you have the police who will automatically stand up for each other.

Doing a google of his name, I ran across this on a police forum.


Notice how their biggest defense is to attack the victim?



09-02-2008, 10:47 AM #1
scout987
Forum Member




Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Socal
Posts: 114 Officer Frank White S.D.P.D. In need of Help

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Hey guys & Gals as an LEO this hit home a little close....well 1 mile close to be exact. This incident happened in Oceanside, Ca involiving a San Diego Police Officer and his wife. This is the warrant report below. Read the introduction and it will tell you a quick detail of what happened although the whole report is also there to tell you the details.
Basically Officer White is being called the "aggressor" and is being charged with unlawful discharge of his weapon" and a few other charges which are sentencing him to 6 years in prison. Everyone I know thinks this is ridiculous especially after reading this report... and I beleive he did what any of you would have done especially when his wife was in the vehicle. I would also like to state that my mother who is an apartment manager in Vista, ca ( the next city over) rented an apartment to "Rachel Silva" the aggressive driver in this incident. She was a problem child you may say...my mother would always calls me over because she was always having problems with "Rachel" such as beating the living **** out of her bf or finding bags on her property with paraphernalia. ( Yes I did tell her to report it to the SOs not to me for those of you who will say something about that)

Anyways the reason for me posting this is this website http://www.thetruthaboutfrank.com/
On there it gives you the police report and a lot of info about the incident and what you can do to help the family out such as just writing a letter of encouragement or letter to help fight the case. You can also make a donation to the family since officer white is out of work due to the investigation and its been a awhile now.


Everyone on here is entitled to their own opinions and this is not posted here to "Spam" and get anyone to feel like they should help. However, If there is one person on this forum that may feel for this officer and his family you as one person can do something to help out. I am not affiliated to this family at all. As I stated above it just hit close to hom for me and being a leo makes me feel for this officer.

Thanks,
Scout


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INTRODUCTION
This investigation involves the suspect, Rachel Leann Silva, driving a motor vehicle with her eight year old son as a passenger, in an erratic and aggressive manner, while under the influence of alcohol, and while her driver’s license was suspended. After nearly causing a collision with another motor vehicle, Silva followed the vehicle in an aggressive manner which included tailgating the vehicle, revving her engine, blocking the vehicle’s path and striking the vehicle with her vehicle. Silva escalated the situation to the point where the driver of the other vehicle, an off-duty police officer, reportedly feared for his safety and fired five rounds into Silva’s vehicle striking her son in the leg and her twice in the arm.

DETAILS OF INVESTIGATION
According to California Department of Motor Vehicles DMV records, on January 15, 2008, Rachel Silva’s California Driver’s License was suspended due to Excessive Blood Alcohol Level as a result of her December 15, 2007 arrest and subsequent guilty plea on January 19, 2008 in violation of 23152, subdivision (b), of the VEHICLE CODE Driving While Having a 0.08% or Higher Blood Alcohol, a misdemeanor.
On March 15, 2008, at approximately 2000 hours, Rachel Leann Silva had picked up her son, Johnny Silva, from a “play date” at 1990 Apple Street, Apartment #75, Oceanside, California. She was driving a four-door 1991 silver Honda Accord with California license plate number 5GOZ275. The Accord has tinted windows on both rear passenger windows and the rear window. There is a lighter tint on the front passenger and driver windows.
According to California DMV records, the Accord is registered to Rachel L. Silva, 137 Avenida Las Brisas, Oceanside, California.
According to evidence seized by OPD Detectives, on March 15, 2008 at approximately 2107 hours, Rachel Silva drove through the McDonald’s restaurant located at 185 Old Grove Road, Oceanside. After exiting the drive-through at approximately 2110 hours, she drove east-bound through the parking lot.
Witness, Priscella Betherum, had just turned from State Route (SR) 76 onto southbound Old Grove. Old Grove has two (2) lanes. After making the turn, Betherum drove southbound in the number two (2) lane of Old Grove. As Betherum continued southbound on Old Grove she saw Silva’s Accord “rolling” eastbound down the driveway of the Shell station and into southbound traffic lanes of Old Grove. Betherum was concerned because the Accord made no attempt to stop. Betherum was able to get by the oncoming Accord without being struck.
Off-duty San Diego Police Department (SDPD) Officer Frank White was driving southbound on Old Grove in the number two lane behind Betherum in a black 2006 Mercury Milan. Frank White’s spouse, Jacquellyn White, was the front passenger in the Milan. The Accord continued eastbound out of the parking lot and into the number two (2) lane, failing to yield the right of way to Frank White. Betherum saw the Milan in her driver’s side rear view mirror swerve abruptly from the number two lane into the number one lane to avoid being struck by the Accord. The Milan then drove back into the number two lane and continued southbound on Old Grove.
Frank White drove to the intersection of Old Grove and Avenida Soledad when he saw the Accord exit the driveway and drive southbound on Old Grove. Frank White saw the Accord drive into the left hand turn lane as he made a right hand turn into the Old Grove Market Place. After White made the turn into the shopping center, he saw the Accord drive westbound crossing all three (3) southbound lanes of traffic and follow him into the parking lot. Betherum also saw the Accord follow the Milan into the parking lot and proceed to “tailgate” the Milan. It should be noted that Rachel Silva’s reported address is 137 Avenida Las Brisas, Apartment A, Oceanside, California. It appears that Silva was driving home from the Mc Donald’s restaurant. If she would have continued with the left turn onto Avenida Soledad and then made the very next right onto Avenida Las Brisas, she would have arrived home. As Frank White continued to drive westbound through the parking lot, he saw the Accord accelerating and braking to the rear of his Milan approximately four (4) to five (5) times. The Accord’s engine was revving as it tailgated his Milan. He described Silva’s driving as erratic. White could not see the driver (Silva) and believed the driver had long hair with a light complexion. Jacquellyn White described Silva’s driving as aggressive because Silva was revving the Accord’s engine and following the Milan so close that Jacquellyn White could not see the headlights of the Accord. Frank White told Jacquellyn White to dial “911" which frightened her because he had never asked her to do so before. (Wife is a Dispatcher and knows 911 is only for emergencies) Frank White continued to drive westbound through the lot until he came to a “T” intersection in front of Lowe’s Home Improvement Store (155 Old Grove Road). Frank White made a right hand turn, and then another immediate right turn, driving eastbound through the lot. As Frank White continued driving eastbound through the lot, he stopped the Milan with the hope that the Accord would continue driving or stop and yell at him, and then continue to drive away. Once White stopped, the Accord drove past the Milan and stopped.
Witness Betherum saw the Milan stop. She saw the Accord drive in front of the Milan and stop, blocking the Milan’s path forward.
The Accord reversed direction, passed the Milan and stopped. The Accord drove forward, paralleling the Milan. Frank White stated that he was unable to exit the Milan because the Accord was so close.
Frank White was armed with a five (5) shot Smith and Wesson .38 caliber revolver. As the Accord stopped parallel to the Milan, Frank White stated that he removed his firearm from its holster located on the front of his pants and pointed it at Rachel Silva stating, “Police, you need to stop! Police, stop!” When she did not react to the gun pointed at her, White reversed the Milan in order to exit the Milan and obtain the license plate of the Accord.
After becoming aware that White’s gun was pointed at her, Silva dialed “911" and reported “There’s a guy who’s pointing a gun at me.”
As Frank White began to open the driver’s side door, he saw Rachel Silva reverse the Accord at an angle, and strike the Milan, their respective cars’ side view mirrors came into contact. The Accord continued in reverse and the right front side of the Accord struck the left rear side of the Milan. Frank White stated that he feared his life was in danger and he shot one (1) round through his closed front driver’s side window. It appears this round went through the left or passenger side front window of the Accord and struck Johnny Silva in the leg. As the Accord continued to reverse, Frank White shot four more rounds, each entering the front windshield of the Accord. Two of the bullets struck Rachel Silva in the right arm.
While Rachel Silva was on the telephone with OPD dispatch, several gunshots were heard as well as Silva stating, “I’ve been shot at.” When the dispatcher asked Silva who had shot at her, she replied “Some guy, a policeman.”
OPD officers arrived almost immediately after the shooting and began rendering first aid to Rachel and Johnny Silva. Johnny Silva was in the front passenger seat of the Accord and Rachel Silva was in the driver’s seat.
Rachel and Johnny Silva were provided with medical treatment and transported by Mercy Air. Johnny Silva suffered a gunshot wound to the inside of his left leg and was transported to Children’s Hospital. Rachel Silva suffered two (2) gunshot wounds to her right arm and was transported to Sharp Memorial Hospital.
A blood technician from American Forensic Nurse obtained a blood sample from Silva at approximately 2326 hours. The collision of the cars occurred at approximately 2114 hours.
On April 1, 2008, OPD Detectives received the blood alcohol results from the San Diego Sheriff Lab which revealed Silva to have a blood alcohol level of .15. If Silva had undergone testing at the time of the incident the levels of alcohol in her system would have revealed a higher concentration.
In her purse at the time of her driving, Silva had a baggie containing a green leafy substance, consistent in appearance with, and believed to be marijuana.

SUMMARY OF INVESTIGATION
Based on the information detailed above, I believe that Rachel Silva’s driving and actions on March 15, 2008, willfully put her son, Johnny Silva, under circumstances likely to produce great bodily injury or death, in a situation where his health was so endangered and, in fact, he was actually injured. Silva was also driving while under the influence of alcohol, with a blood alcohol level of at least .15. Silva was also driving while her driver’s license had been suspended due to a previous conviction for 23152, subdivision (b), of the VEHICLE CODE Driving While Having a 0.08% or Higher Blood Alcohol.
I, Stephen Duncan, the affiant, hereby pray for the issuance of a felony arrest warrant for the arrest of Rachel Leann Silva, good cause being shown therefore, for the crimes of Child Endangerment, in violation of SECTION 273a, subdivision (a), of the PENAL CODE, a felony; the crime of Driving Under the Influence of Alcohol, in violation of SECTION 23152, subdivision (a), of the VEHICLE CODE, a Misdemeanor; Driving While Having a 0.08% or
Higher Blood Alcohol, in violation of SECTION 23152, subdivision (b), of the VEHICLE
CODE, a misdemeanor; Driving with Privilege Suspended for Prior DUI, in violation of
SECTION 14601.2, subdivision (a), of the VEHICLE CODE, a misdemeanor; Driving when
Privilege Suspended or Revoked, in violation of SECTION 14601.1, subdivision (a), of the
VEHICLE CODE, a misdemeanor, and Driving While in Possession of Marijuana, in violation
of Vehicle Code section 23222, sub. (b), a misdemeanor.




I like how he put the codes for her, but left out the codes for things like

"assault with a firearm"

"Assault with a dealy weapon"

The "great bodily injury" enhancement"

"Attempted murder"

"Perjury"



And speaking of which, there was no evidence to support charges of using her vehicle as a weapon. Or their accusations of her trying to kill them with her car. If there was, they obviously would have filed the charges.

[CULPRITE_INC]

how is this case still in fucking court

[4nik8]

Due process?

[CULPRITE_INC]

a case is usually dissmissed or brought to a end after purgative activity's

[TOAO]

the only reason it is in court is because she wouldn't shut up.

I'm pretty sure they offered to let all her shit slide if she would have shut her mouth and let it go.

[4nik8]

a case is usually dissmissed or brought to a end after purgative activity's

I'm not a legal expert either but it's my understanding that the trial goes on and then those that are suspected of perjury are brought back for a trial on those allegations.

[TOAO]

Here is a news story on it

YouTube - Officer Trial 6/3/09


I want to buy some tires like that. That's cool how you can take off quick, and slam on your brakes, and make all kinds of screeching, but not leave any marks on the pavement.

[CULPRITE_INC]

the only reason it is in court is because she wouldn't shut up.

I'm pretty sure they offered to let all her shit slide if she would have shut her mouth and let it go.

i woulda taken the get out of trouble free card... just sayin

[TOAO]

VISTA ---- When San Diego police Officer Frank White fired his gun into another car, striking a woman and her young son, it wasn't done in self-defense, a prosecutor argued to a North County jury Wednesday.

"He panicked," Deputy District Attorney Jeff Dusek said during closing arguments in the officer's trial. "There was no imminent threat (of death or injury)."

Dusek argued that White emptied his five-shot revolver into a Honda Accord because it "surprised him, startled him" when the Honda clipped his car. The slow-speed sideswipe came at the end of a March 15, 2008, road-rage clash in which the other motorist had repeatedly threatened to ram White's car.

"He pulled a gun," Dusek said. "It didn't need to be out. It shouldn't have been out."

The other driver, Rachel Silva, was shot twice in her right arm. Her then-8-year-old son was hit once in his left leg.

White's defense attorney, Rick Pinckard, is expected to argue Thursday morning that White acted in defense of himself and his wife to fend off an unknown assailant whom he has said used her car as a weapon to threaten the couple.

Jurors could begin deliberations before noon Thursday.

White was off-duty, out of uniform and in his personal car, driving with his wife to an Oceanside market when Silva began to pursue him through a parking lot after a perceived driving slight on Old Grove Road near Highway 76.

The 29-year-old officer is charged with a felony, accused of discharging his gun in a grossly negligent manner. He is also charged with a misdemeanor, accused of brandishing his gun in a rude, threatening or angry manner.

In order to get a conviction on the felony count, prosecutors must prove all four of the following: that White intentionally fired his gun; that he did so with gross negligence; that his actions could have caused serious injury or death; and that he did not act in self-defense.

White testified last week that he shot at Silva to protect himself and his wife.

Dusek conceded to the jury that Silva started the conflict, revving her engine, squealing her tires and acting as if she was going to rear-end White's car as he drove slowly through a Lowe's parking lot just after 9 p.m. on a Saturday.

"She started it, but that doesn't mean he gets to do what he did," Dusek said.

Rachel Silva, he said, was "an idiot to do what she did with her child in the car." But, he told the panel, Silva has had her day in court, and has pleaded guilty to felony child endangerment and misdemeanor drunken driving. (Silva's sentencing is set for July.)

"A guilty verdict does not mean you like Rachel Silva ... It does not mean that her actions should be ignored," Dusek said. "A guilty verdict does not mean the defendant is a bad person.

"A guilty verdict means the law has been applied to all people, regardless of status, regardless of position."

The focus of this case, he said, is White and his actions.

"All people have to be, should be, are required to be held accountable for their actions," Dusek told the panel. "Nobody is above the law. ... Police officers are not above the law."

[CULPRITE_INC]

amen to the last three sentences toao wrote

[chi]

Good Closing Argument




Jun 17, 2009
McMenacing? Cop Accused Of Pulling Gun At McD's
Written by Brian Maass

DENVER (CBS4) ― A Denver police officer has been suspended after allegedly brandishing his gun at a McDonald's restaurant in Aurora after his order took too long to fill.

Aurora police confirmed the CBS4 investigation saying the incident occurred May 21 at the McDonald's at 18181 East Hampden Avenue.

A spokesperson for the Aurora Police Department said they plan to present the case -- now classified as a felony menacing incident -- to the Arapahoe County District Attorney's Office Thursday for possible filing of criminal charges.

Sources familiar with the case, and the fast food worker's account of what happened, say two off-duty Denver police officers placed an order from their car in the early morning hours of May 21. But once at the drive through window, the employee said the men became agitated and angry at how long their food was taking. The men thought they were being ignored, according to contacts familiar with the worker's account. The male clerk then said one of the officer's flashed his police badge and pointed a pistol through the drive through window in a threatening manner, before driving off without paying.

Both officers are assigned to Denver International Airport although only one has been placed on administrative leave with pay, pending the outcome of the case.

[Deems]

This whole damn thing has been blown out of porportion.

#1 Bitch was drunk and high
#2 Bitch had kid in passenger seat
#3 Bitch started this incident with road rage

Ok after these... your gonna be on who's side?

What copper did he did in response. Bitch caused it .
Fuck the bitch , she deserved it .. Copper fired and did what was necessary to defend himself and his wife.

[StoneTheCrow]

Toao is a cop hater, he's from California though so its normal.

[TOAO]

Guy shot a chick and her kid, and lied about it.

If she was sober, would it make a difference?

After all, the kid was sober.

[Deems]

Guy shot a chick and her kid, and lied about it.

If she was sober, would it make a difference?

After all, the kid was sober.

yes, IF she was sober... she would not have started this ball rolling in the first place. She started it , the cop stopped it . What IF she had attacked someone else with her car? Are you 100% positive that the other person would have just allowed her to get away with her bully tactics?

First , she needed to be stopped. She was driving under the influence. YES, she was wrong.
Second, she took her life, her diabled son's life and the lives of both cop and cop wife in jeopardy when she decided they were a target.

Do you really think that without provocation that a cop would just draw and shoot? Seroiusly, lok at the sentence he is looking at? Do you think its worth it ? Bitch did something to up the threat level making cop guy defend himself.

if bitch didnt start none.. Copper wouldnt have had to end none.

[TOAO]

If there wasn't an overwhelming amount of evidence, they wouldn't have went after a cop. And they still went easy.

She didn't ram his car, there were no marks on the pavement to suport is story, and he shot her while both cars were side by side, and then got out and kept shooting at her as she was backing away.

She didn't attack anyone with her car. She could have attacaked someone with her car, but she didn't. Monkeys could have also flew out of her butt and bought everyone tickets to disneyland too, but they didn't.

The fact is he overreacted, and shot two people. They should have tested him too.

[Deems]

If there wasn't an overwhelming amount of evidence, they wouldn't have went after a cop. And they still went easy.

She didn't ram his car, there were no marks on the pavement to suport is story, and he shot her while both cars were side by side, and then got out and kept shooting at her as she was backing away.

She didn't attack anyone with her car. She could have attacaked someone with her car, but she didn't. Monkeys could have also flew out of her butt and bought everyone tickets to disneyland too, but they didn't.

The fact is he overreacted, and shot two people. They should have tested him too.

So your issue is that cop should have been tested for drugs/alcohol? Or that a cop defended himself and his family from an enraged drunk using her car as a weapon?

What about her overreacting?
What about this isnt her first offense for DUI?
What about having drugs in the car?

In one of the reports (links) you posted it stated that she sideswiped the cop's car. Thats how they were side by side to begin with.

Look at the bulletholes in the windshield. They were NOT kill shots. They were stopping shots. he meant to stop, not kill the lady.

The kid? The one who shouldnt have been in the front seat to begin with? or in a car with a drunk..... No one saw the kid. Dark tint on the windows.

backing up? if someone just tried to sideswipe me and backed up... I would automatically think they were going to try again. Thats means to back up , gain speed to hit again. If the cop would have not shot at the windshield and she was bcking up to "get away" ... remember she was drunk and on drugs! Who would be her next victim? Now you have a drunk driving the streets and now she has put everyone in jeopardy.

A cop is always on duty.They are targets.

[TOAO]

She never used the car as a weapon. His car wasn't rammed. The car was sideswiped after he started shooting.

If any of those things happened, they would have prosecuted her for it, they didn't, because they didn't happen. He lied, and his wife lied. For anyone else, it would be perjury.

[Deems]

She never used the car as a weapon. His car wasn't rammed. The car was sideswiped after he started shooting.

If any of those things happened, they would have prosecuted her for it, they didn't, because they didn't happen. He lied, and his wife lied. For anyone else, it would be perjury.

Not True! Look at the bullet holes in the car. The first bullet went thru the passengerside window of HER car. How is this possible? if what you say is true.... how did her car magically appear in that spot and have a bad bad cop shoot at her for no reason?

Cop used force against force, he didnt even try for a kill shot.
She was speeding up and racing her engine, missing the copcar by inches. She terrorized the cop and his wife.

have someone do this to you .... you'll see, its not the cop's fault. You would have protected yourself/wife too.


The cop and his wife were the ones who called 911. The drunk lady didnt call until AFTER she was shot.
So its OK to terrorize.. just keep driving drunk,on drugs and with your kid in the car... until someone shoots you ? Then and only then call 911....... is this correct? No? Which part?

[TOAO]

Exactly. It was through the side window. He was in his car, she was in her car, the cars were side by side. How was he in danger?

And then the windshield shots happened after he shot at her, and she was backing away.

As far as not going for a "kill shot," if he didn't need to kill her, his gun shouldn't have came out.

And as far as drunk, read the story again, neither one showed signs of drugs or alcohol, yet they only tested her. Being a "bad mother" is irrelevant. And a poor excuse for shooting her, especially since none of this was known until they chemically tested her.


If their was any evidence of all the things he said, they would have prosecuted her for it. But there wasn't. so they didn't.

If they was any truth to the cops story, the Lowe's security video wouldn't have disappeared.

[Deems]

Exactly. It was through the side window. He was in his car, she was in her car, the cars were side by side. How was he in danger?have someone gun the engine repeatedly, and then roll up on side.... that is NOT normal behavior. Cops are targets, drunk scared them, for what reason? She was threatening with her car. I would have defended myself in that scenario.

And then the windshield shots happened after he shot at her, and she was backing away.Did you not read my earlier posts? Why am I amswering the same questions?

As far as not going for a "kill shot," if he didn't need to kill her, his gun shouldn't have came out. drunk used car as weapon.Cop had wife in car.. so he didnt want to possibly injure wife, so car wasnt an option for him. if the attack was for him( cop/target/victim) he got out of the car and used what he had to protect himself with... as well as luring the attack away from the car

And as far as drunk, read the story again, neither one showed signs of drugs or alcohol, yet they only tested her. Being a "bad mother" is irrelevant. And a poor excuse for shooting her, especially since none of this was known until they chemically tested her.are you saying that they had NO reason to drug test her? How many DUI's does she have? is this gunning the engine and scaring people NORMAL? .. as soon as she stepped into an ambulance, they would have asked her about drugs/alcohol. hard to medicate someone when they are still on something else. Do ya really think your gonna be able to lie to the medic's...


If their was any evidence of all the things he said, they would have prosecuted her for it. But there wasn't. so they didn't. they are prosecuting her.

If they was any truth to the cops story, the Lowe's security video wouldn't have disappeared.
is this a conspiracy theory? The video is missing, OOh yeah, thats enough lack of evidence to convict someone. maybe the camera footage doesnt show anything?

if you are this upset about this case.... call internal affairs. They are the police's police. You can find their number in the blue pages.

[TOAO]

The funniest part, is if he gets convicted, people will cry that it's not fair.

[StoneTheCrow]

Are you related to this woman or something?

[Deems]

The funniest part, is if he gets convicted, people will cry that it's not fair.

you mean just like you have been doing ?

[TOAO]

Who's crying?

Funny how if someone doesn't agree with an opinion, it becomes a personal attack.

It seems like you'd be able to relate to a rude drunk chick that doesn't know when to shut her mouth.

[Deems]

Who's crying?

Funny how if someone doesn't agree with an opinion, it becomes a personal attack.

It seems like you'd be able to relate to a rude drunk chick that doesn't know when to shut her mouth.

I havent agreed with alot of what you were saying. I was clear in my disagreement.

You stated how people will cry, if cop gets charged. Wouldnt people , defending drunk lady, cry if he doesnt?

Are you related to( or know) this woman? You seem to not acknowledge her blame in this. Your picking on the stop , not the start of this fiasco.

You dont answer to points that are contrary to your viewpoint.

personal attacks? All you have is people will cry and rude drunk chick? Seriously, you need to do better than that.


I came into this thread( before I saw what your last post was) and was going to say that we agree to disagree, and that I wasnt interested in this any longer to continue debating it with you . I was going to try to end this in a nice way. I dont know these people, dont really care what happens.

[TOAO]

Well one thing I will agree on, is no mastter how the verdict comes out, people will cry about it.

Personally, I don't think they will convict just for the reason he is a cop, which is in my opinion, a bad reason.

And for what it's worth, our sheriff here is going for nine years. He was found innocent on all charges, but convicted for tampering with the trial. Funny how that works.

[TOAO]

Good thing i didn't offer to put a 1'000 credits on it.

they have a jury pool like Orange County.



VISTA ---- A North County jury on Monday acquitted San Diego police Officer Frank White on a felony charge that he fired his gun in a grossly negligent manner during a 2008 road-rage clash in which he shot a woman and her child.

White stayed expressionless but kept his eyes closed, squeezing them shut as the court clerk read off the jury verdicts.

His wife, Jacquellyn, seated in the front row of the courtroom, put her hands to her face in apparent relief.

The 29-year-old officer also was cleared of a misdemeanor charge of brandishing his weapon in a rude, threatening or angry manner during the traffic confrontation in Oceanside with Rachel Leann Silva, 28, and her son, then 8, on March 15, 2008.

White testified that he emptied his five-shot revolver in self-defense after Silva targeted him and threatened him with her car.

After the jury left, White and his wife embraced for a long moment.

Surrounded by a number of supporters, White left the courthouse without comment to the media.

"This whole process has been somewhat overwhelming for him," said Rick Pinckard, White's attorney. "This has been a fairly anxious day.

"It's a good outcome, obviously. We are very pleased with it."

The next step, the attorney said, is to talk with the San Diego Police Department about White returning to work.

White has been on a voluntary unpaid leave of absence from the San Diego Police Department since November 2008, according to department spokeswoman Monica Munoz.

She would not comment on how Monday's verdict might influence the outcome of the department's internal investigation into the incident.

White is the first police officer charged in San Diego County in more than a dozen years for shooting a perceived aggressor.

He was off-duty, out of uniform and driving his personal car with his wife at the time of the incident, which took place in the Lowe's parking lot on Old Grove Road, just off Highway 76.

Assistant District Attorney Jeff Dusek said he was "disappointed" in the outcome, and had hoped for conviction on at least one of the charges.

"A case like this is very difficult for the jury," Dusek said. "We certainly respect their decision. They worked very hard at it, they paid attention throughout, and they called it the way they saw it. That's all we can ask for."

Jurors left through a side door, declining to speak with the media.

It took the jury nearly two days of deliberations before clearing White, who testified during the three-week trial that he fired his gun in self-defense as Silva drove her car toward his.

He pulled the trigger as her car clipped his, he testified.

The District Attorney's office took heat from some corners for the decision to charge White.

In a written statement released shortly after the verdict was announced, District Attorney Bonnie Dumanis defended her decision.

"If a crime has been committed and we believe we can prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, we have a duty to file charges. ... But it is the jury that ultimately decides between guilty and not guilty," Dumanis said, adding that she appreciated the jury's work.

Dusek conceded to the jury that Silva had been the aggressor during the confrontation, acting like a "jerk" as she pursued the couple in an apparent fit of road rage for a perceived driving slight.

Silva tailgated and pursued White during the confrontation, revving her engine and threatening to ram White's car.

She then blocked his car, and later clipped it.

And he acknowledged to the jury that Silva had been drinking and had drugs in her system at the time of the encounter, just after 9 p.m. on a Saturday.

She had her child in the car, having just picked him up from a play date.

But he told the jury that White should be held accountable, that he overreacted and went for his gun too quickly.

Silva has pleaded guilty to felony child endangerment and misdemeanor drunken driving. She faces up to four years in prison when she is sentenced in July.

Silva invoked her Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination and did not testify at White's trial.

Luis Silva, the father of the child shot by White, left the courtroom without comment after the verdict. He is long-divorced from Rachel Silva.

He was in Iraq as an active duty U.S. Marine at the time of the shooting. His son has been living with him since his return.

Luis Silva has filed a civil suit against White and the San Diego Police Department on behalf of his son, who is now 10.

The Silva family's attorney, Gene Iredale, said he does not think the acquittal will have an effect on the federal civil suit, which has been on hold awaiting the outcome of White's criminal trial.

The level of proof is far lower in civil trials than it is in criminal cases, in which the prosecution must prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt.

In civil cases, the level of proof is a preponderance of the evidence, which is simply a standard of more likely true than not.

"Regardless of the outcome, the district attorney did the right thing in bringing the charge," Iredale said. "They established the principle that the law applies to everyone, citizens and police officers alike. I hope the prosecution itself will have an outcome of the promiscuous use of handguns by those in a position of power."








He'll probably get boned in the Federal version though.


Nobody likes a meth user. Kind of reminds me of Ellie Nessler. Everyone was behind her til they found out she was a tweeker.

And BTW, her kid turned out to be a nightmare.

[gigman]

Who's crying?

Funny how if someone doesn't agree with an opinion, it becomes a personal attack.

It seems like you'd be able to relate to a rude drunk chick that doesn't know when to shut her mouth.It's nothing personal TOAO. Some people just don't hate the police as bad as you do. Some of us have a respect for the law and law and order itself.

What did a cop ever do to you that made you hate them so much?:neutral:

Liberal Bastard!:xd:

[gigman]

"Regardless of the outcome, the district attorney did the right thing in bringing the charge," Iredale said. "They established the principle that the law applies to everyone, citizens and police officers alike. I hope the prosecution itself will have an outcome of the promiscuous use of handguns by those in a position of power."

I believe this is the only reason that it went to court in the first place. To prove a point. Fucking politics!

[TOAO]

That's kind of like saying what makes you such a naive fool that you will automatically believe a cop?

Maybe you can have one babysit for you?


http://www.ocregister.com/articles/hermosillo-orange-department-2042321-accused-adams



To take someone's word because they are a cop is foolish. They lie just like everyone else. the only difference is because of their position, they are more likely to get away with it.