Childhood Obesity

[Blood]

Do you believe that parents with obese children should be punished for not teaching their kids proper nutrition and exercise?
Should it be seen as a form of child abuse?

Or do you believe that people should be able to raise their kids any way they see fit because it's their right as a parent?

Discuss.

[Dooligan]

Just like keeping them off drugs...it is part of raising and guiding a child.

[The Goddess]

It is sad to see obese children. Perhaps, the parents need more education.... how to buy nutritious food on a tight budget and how to portion food.

[Stormcrow]

The parents have a responsibility to their children. One that should not be taken lightly.

I would also say, the parents of obese children not only failed to prevent such a thing, they enabled/caused it.

[CULPRITE_INC]

The parents have a responsibility to their children. One that should not be taken lightly.

I would also say, the parents of obese children not only failed to prevent such a thing, they enabled/caused it.

What if its a genetic thing?
Is it still there "failing to prevent"?

[Stormcrow]

What if its a genetic thing?
Is it still there "failing to prevent"?

A 'Genetic' thing? Tell me this. Have you ever seen a baby born obese?

There is nothing genetic about gluttony & sloth. There are genetic conditions that make it virtually impossible to lose the acquired weight, but nothing but not burning off the fuel you take in will cause obesity.

[CULPRITE_INC]

A 'Genetic' thing? Tell me this. Have you ever seen a baby born obese?

There is nothing genetic about gluttony & sloth. There are genetic conditions that make it virtually impossible to lose the acquired weight, but nothing but not burning off the fuel you take in will cause obesity.


Science shows that genetics plays a role in obesity. Genes can directly cause obesity in disorders such as Bardet-Biedl syndrome and Prader-Willi syndrome.

However genes do not always predict future health. Genes and behavior may both be needed for a person to be overweight. In some cases multiple genes may increase one’s susceptibility for obesity and require outside factors; such as abundant food supply or little physical activity.


I guess I am thinking over weight, not obese, but that is where it differs I guess.

[Stormcrow]

You have pointed out two of the rarest human ailments ever known (Prader-Willi syndrome occurs in only 1 of 15,000 live births). Not only would it be well known to the families of these children that such a condition was the culprit, as they are both hereditary, it would also be plainly obvious to an outside observer that there is more wrong with the pink eyed, retarded kid than too damn many Twinkies.

Let's keep this discussion in the realm of which it was intended. "Is it the parents fault if their kids eat too much, and play too little, causing obesity?"

[CULPRITE_INC]

Those are just what they sited, but if you are 350 lbs, and your wife is 432 your kids not gonna be 95 lbs at age 13. medications have a lot to do with Americas weight problem, but I just do not see it as a crime.
Diseases and Drugs
Some illnesses may lead to obesity or weight gain. These may include Cushing's disease, and polycystic ovary syndrome. Drugs such as steroids and some antidepressants may also cause weight gain.

A doctor is the best source to tell you whether illnesses, medications, or psychological factors are contributing to weight gain or making weight loss hard.
American children are imho the most over medicated people on earth, what ever happened to just dealing with your problems, now we just have a pill for it.

[Stormcrow]

Those are just what they sited, but if you are 350 lbs, and your wife is 432 your kids not gonna be 95 lbs at age 13. medications have a lot to do with Americas weight problem, but I just do not see it as a crime.

In the instance you pointed out, the child will not be a healthy weight because they will be taught to live the parents unhealthy lifestyle.

Medication? You keep referring to extreme medical conditions, they are the exception, not the rule. Nor are they the topic at hand.

If someone knowingly forced their kid to eat a poison that would slowly constrict their lungs and heart, and restricted their mobility, would you consider that a crime?

[CULPRITE_INC]

you have had children, correct? you of all people should know some times you cant force a kid to do anything. society plays into it just as much as parenting, so is society responsible?
Oh and this is my last off site research quote I will post.
A gene variant common in the European population has been discovered that shows the first clear link to obesity, researchers say.

The gene, called FTO, was found by studying the genome of 39,000 white people in the United Kingdom, Finland and Italy who gave blood samples, the team said in Thursday's online issue of the journal Science.

People who had two altered copies of the gene were about three kilograms heavier on average, and had a 70 per cent higher risk of obesity than people with no copies of the gene. Those with one copy had a lesser but still elevated risk of having a higher fat mass.

About 63 per cent of people surveyed had one or two copies of the mutation, and the effects of the gene were seen by age seven, said the researchers, who set out to look for genes that increase susceptibility to Type 2 diabetes.

"Our findings suggest a possible answer to someone who might ask, 'I eat the same and do as much exercise as my friend next door, so why am I fatter?' said Prof. Andrew Hattersley from the Peninsula Medical School in Exeter, England.

"There is clearly a component to obesity that is genetic."

and if it is a crime, whats the punishment? take the kids away from there parents? Because you know that healthy for them...

Yes, it is every parents responsibility to make sure there child is healthy, but I do not think to government should be able to punish you for your kids gluttony. Furthermore I do remember hearing this statement a lot about thicker kids, " Oh thats just baby fat, when he gets taller he will thin out."

[Stormcrow]

you have had children, correct? you of all people should know some times you cant force a kid to do anything. society plays into it just as much as parenting, so is society responsible?
Oh and this is my last off site research quote I will post.


and if it is a crime, whats the punishment? take the kids away from there parents? Because you know that healthy for them...

Yes, it is every parents responsibility to make sure there child is healthy, but I do not think to government should be able to punish you for your kids gluttony. Furthermore I do remember hearing this statement a lot about thicker kids, " Oh thats just baby fat, when he gets taller he will thin out."

Are you actually reading my posts?

I'll tell you what I have learned as a parent.


Society can get fucked. My kids eat what I feed them, when I feed them.
Society can continue to get fucked. When I kick their asses off of the couch, they get off of the couch.


And dude, their is a distinction between 'thick,' and obese. One is a health risk.

I have no respect for the complacency society shows toward issues of this nature. We all know what a kid is going to grow out of, and what they (quite literally) will carry for their entire lives.

You making the argument that 'some kids have an illness that makes them fat, so it's OK that so many otherwise healthy kids are going to have a heart attack before their 40th birthday.' is like me making the argument that 'Some kids are just plain stupid, so it's OK if I don't make certain my kid is educated.'

(It's a crime if I don't make certain my kid is educated BTW)

[CULPRITE_INC]

No, storm, I am reading your posts, I am just stating my opinion. I grew up active and such. Then at about 13 I was put onto ADHD medications, witch unannounced to me were a derivative of speed, witch is horrible for your heart, not to mention they made it no problem at all to eat 10 double cheese burgers in one sitting, and not gain a pound in wight. After I decided I wasn't going to take the ,meds any more, that appetite stayed with me, that's where i gained my weight. How does this add up, you may be asking? Well society thinks kids like me needed the medication, witch BTW is worse for my heart then the fucking burgers, I guess I just don't believe in the over medication of America, but that is a different argument.

In closing no I do not think it should be a crime. I do not think the government should have the right to be THAT into your business. And answer me this:
and if it is a crime, whats the punishment? take the kids away from there parents? Because you know that healthy for them...

[Stormcrow]

No, storm, I am reading your posts, I am just stating my opinion. I grew up active and such. Then at about 13 I was put onto ADHD medications, witch unannounced to me were a derivative of speed, witch is horrible for your heart, not to mention they made it no problem at all to eat 10 double cheese burgers in one sitting, and not gain a pound in wight. After I decided I wasn't going to take the ,meds any more, that appetite stayed with me, that's where i gained my weight. How does this add up, you may be asking? Well society thinks kids like me needed the medication, witch BTW is worse for my heart then the fucking burgers, I guess I just don't believe in the over medication of America, but that is a different argument.

In closing no I do not think it should be a crime. I do not think the government should have the right to be THAT into your business. And answer me this:

I'm sorry they chose to drug you man. I disagree with the practice.


As for the punishment, it should be consistent with all other punishments for neglect that are currently in place. What is the punishment for not providing a suitable home for your child? How about not providing a suitable education? How about if you don't feed your child at all? Or never take them to the doctors when they are sick? It's all one and the same man. Neglect is neglect.

[Entropy]

I guess I think a little differently than most.

I think having children should be a privilege, not a right.
They should set up a separate commission whose sole purpose is to determine whether or not people should be allowed to raise children. Base it on income, health, living conditions, stability, length of time committed to each other, background checks, anything and everything that pertains to getting a generation of solid people, physically and emotionally.


As for the original question: The obese child should be permitted to beat the living shit out of the parents weekly. Parents learn their lesson for improper breeding and the fatty gets a workout.


Hell, I had fun writing this one. You should've seen the paragraph I deleted!:bigsmile:

[Stormcrow]

I guess I think a little differently than most.

I think having children should be a privilege, not a right.
They should set up a separate commission whose sole purpose is to determine whether or not people should be allowed to raise children. Base it on income, health, living conditions, stability, length of time committed to each other, background checks, anything and everything that pertains to getting a generation of solid people, physically and emotionally.


As for the original question: The obese child should be permitted to beat the living shit out of the parents weekly. Parents learn their lesson for improper breeding and the fatty gets a workout.


Hell, I had fun writing this one. You should've seen the paragraph I deleted!:bigsmile:
I was wondering when you'd throw your hat in the ring. :wink:

[CULPRITE_INC]

I'm sorry they chose to drug you man. I disagree with the practice.


As for the punishment, it should be consistent with all other punishments for neglect that are currently in place. What is the punishment for not providing a suitable home for your child? How about not providing a suitable education? How about if you don't feed your child at all? Or never take them to the doctors when they are sick? It's all one and the same man. Neglect is neglect.

so take them away? shot em? give em to Angelina Jolie?

[Entropy]

so take them away? shot em? give em to Angelina Jolie?


Move them all into the Socialist White House!

[Stormcrow]

so take them away? shot em? give em to Angelina Jolie?

The laws are different from state to state of course, but they are there for a GOOD reason man. Neglect is not acceptable. It will effect the poor child's future more than Angelina Jolie will.

[CULPRITE_INC]

The laws are different from state to state of course, but they are there for a GOOD reason man. Neglect is not acceptable. It will effect the poor child's future more than Angelina Jolie will.

I see what ytour saying man, I just dont see feeding your kids as a crime, not saying its right to plump em up over 210 but you get what i am saying

[Stormcrow]

I see what ytour saying man, I just dont see feeding your kids as a crime, not saying its right to plump em up over 210 but you get what i am saying

Oh, I see you point man. And it's a valid one.

But like I said dude. Stocky ain't what I'm talkin' about. I'm stocky.

I'm talking about this>>> http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:8X5erhQ2Y6DZRM:http://startswithabang.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/8-21-07-obese-child.jpg, or this>>>http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:cdEpZFY3kc2eTM:http://blogs.bbc.co.uk/worldhaveyoursay/obese_child203.jpg


I have a bright shiny nickle that says these kids will never be healthy. And I refuse to believe that it's their own fault.

[CULPRITE_INC]

So they dont need a life jacket... EVER. lol

[Entropy]

So they dont need a life jacket... EVER. lol

This would be a life jacket to fat kids...

http://www.dlisted.com/files/caption0724_0.jpg