A question for all.

[StoneTheCrow]

I'm curious, lots of news on death lately. At the hands of disease and people,my question is this.

What has killed more people to date, mankind or disease?

[Stormcrow]

Tough call. I'll get back to you on this.

[StoneTheCrow]

It is a tough call, and this is a problem within itself. It should be an easy call, mankind outdoes itself quite nicely in this arena.

[gigman]

I'll have a guess at it.
Disease?

[StoneTheCrow]

I'll have a guess at it.
Disease?

Its not a contest, I don't have an answer. Just something I'm curious about.

[Entropy]

Depends on if some of the diseases are counted as man-made, but it appears that disease wins by a landslide.

Here's a link for 7 of the worst plagues in history and the numbers look huge compared to what any man or mankind has done.

http://www.oddee.com/item_90608.aspx

[StoneTheCrow]

Depends on if some of the diseases are counted as man-made, but it appears that disease wins by a landslide.

Here's a link for 7 of the worst plagues in history and the numbers look huge compared to what any man or mankind has done.

http://www.oddee.com/item_90608.aspx

Nice, well ok, not really nice but informative link.

[gigman]

I will still say it's disease. Look at all the people in Africa dying of Aids and malaria and such. Then their is heart disease and cancer going wild. Not counting the Flu that kills 20,000 to 30,000 is America alone each year.

[StoneTheCrow]

I will bring up the fact though, like entropy pointed out. What if, all the crazy shit humans invented, are the cause of most of these diseases? Wouldn't that swing the pendulum back toward man though?

[gigman]

Entropy reads too much crap.

[ozzman62]

Man made I would Say, Even if you take into account Plagues Which were as result of man living in filth and squalor , War , Murder , And accidents caused by Mans own Ignorance . So I guess by definition, Disease in itself as a naturally occurring element probably has a lower body count .

[TOAO]

I have to agree with entropy. Look at all the people that died before penecillen was invented. Or however the hell you spell it.

[4nik8]

Depends on if some of the diseases are counted as man-made, but it appears that disease wins by a landslide.

Here's a link for 7 of the worst plagues in history and the numbers look huge compared to what any man or mankind has done.

http://www.oddee.com/item_90608.aspx

Lookin like 3 to 1 (disease to man)

If, as you pointed out, we count only the diseases that were naturally occurring.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_and_disasters_by_death_toll

[gigman]

I guess cancer would be considered a man made disease. It is caused from man made toxins like cigarettes and MSG, along with pesticides.

[Entropy]

We'd have to go through each disease individually and decide if it is man made.:squigglemouth:

Gig has a point with lung or gum cancer, but breast, colon, brain cancers, etc. are naturally occurring.

Something like cholera has wiped out people and could be considered natural, but it's the living conditions that create a environment for it to thrive. Zimbabwe just went through a cholera epidemic, and it could be stopped by simple technology which is unavailable there.

[4nik8]

Exactly.

That's part of what I was talking about. Not so much bio-engineered diseases.

[LEFT]

I'm sure man could kill himself many time over, but I doubt he's outdone disease....yet.

[CULPRITE_INC]

car accidents, war, murder, civil wars,wars back in bc witch have no real statistics what about the biblical plagues are those man made?


imma have to say man on this one

[4nik8]

Why does that ^^^ post not shock me?

[CULPRITE_INC]

how would any post shock you?

[Deems]

I'm curious, lots of news on death lately. At the hands of disease and people,my question is this.

What has killed more people to date, mankind or disease?

People kill people waaay more often and by better numbers than any one disease or group diseases all together and humans still do the most damage to themselves and each other. ....
No contest . Disease is infantile in comparison.

[Pupperoni]

Chemicals, illegal warfare, Hiroshima, Atomic Bomb, 1918 Spanish Flu (5 million killed world wide). All of our actions impact our environment and have consequences.

I'm guessing you're asking how many men, women and children have died as a direct consequence of war compared to those who've died of disease? Probably no direct comparison has been made, nor is one necessary. No war will ever kill as many people as the chemicals, bacterias, viruses, fungus's, neglect, abuse, and crime as hand to hand combat, or weapons of mass destruction.

[4nik8]

For those that can't be bothered to check out the links provided.

Approximate numbers:

Mankind ~ 433 Million

Disease ~ 1.3 BILLION

[4nik8]

how would any post shock you?

Blatant idiocy most of the time.

I'm getting desensitized to yours, however.

[Deems]

For those that can't be bothered to check out the links provided.

Approximate numbers:

Mankind ~ 433 Million

Disease ~ 1.3 BILLION

That would be me ... I dont check out links and other shit not in thread starter. I read the starter and respond. Otherwise its not a sincere answer if Im swayed by other posts.

I really dont agree. man kills more than disease. We have the bombs, bullets, missiles, gas..etc.... We kill more than disease anyday. hell, we have immunizations for half diseases...
Im a hard sell on this topic....

[Pupperoni]

For those that can't be bothered to check out the links provided.

Approximate numbers:

Mankind ~ 433 Million

Disease ~ 1.3 BILLION

There's a H U G E problem with those numbers. They aren't broken down into individual causes.

"Mankind ~ 433 Million"
Apparently you're claiming warfare has caused the death of 433 million lives, yes? Do you mean on the battle fields, post battle fields, due to conditions of war, what exactly do you mean?

"Disease ~ 1.3 BILLION"
That's a pretty small number. In which century did you start counting?
Which diseases are being taken into consideration and how were they
acquired? Are those diseases bacterial, viral, fungal, attacking one or more body system or due to an ineffective immune system?

Did the man give himself the disease or did he pick it up from his environment?


Perhaps man's biggest war with man is to prevent the spread of his own demise.

[citers]

desiese definatly. it killed millions of people in the black plauge and there are lots of them that are common that kill in a yearly kind of thing like the flu.

[4nik8]

There's a H U G E problem with those numbers. They aren't broken down into individual causes.

"Mankind ~ 433 Million"
Apparently you're claiming warfare has caused the death of 433 million lives, yes? Do you mean on the battle fields, post battle fields, due to conditions of war, what exactly do you mean?

"Disease ~ 1.3 BILLION"
That's a pretty small number. In which century did you start counting?
Which diseases are being taken into consideration and how were they
acquired? Are those diseases bacterial, viral, fungal, attacking one or more body system or due to an ineffective immune system?

Did the man give himself the disease or did he pick it up from his environment?


Perhaps man's biggest war with man is to prevent the spread of his own demise.

The link concerning mankind's responsibility is broken down into several categories.

Take a look at it for further information.

As for disease, your question has already been covered as to whether or not man can be considered at fault for some.

But, even if man had been responsible for as much as HALF the disease causing death, the naturally occurring deaths from disease would still win out.

Just an FYI.

[para]

I would say man, disease are spread through human contact. AIDS can't be spread unless some one would is ignorant or wanting to kill others. Same as other STD's, this world is a sick one, some people have a death sentence (AIDS), so they want to bring other people with them.

Wars alone is a human killer, and throughout the history of this world, there has been countless wars and wars we don't even know about.

[4nik8]

Take a look at Malaria. It's responsible for over 800 million deaths alone......

Them's skeeters spreading death on humans.

That's almost twice as much as human caused death by its self.