Happy MEMORIAL Day.

[4nik8]

Take a minute and thank a VET that you have the ability to bitch about your country and remember those that have fallen trying to ensure it.

[Deems]

Damnit nik! This country has some fucked up shit going on! .... Thanks Fucker.

[4nik8]

I figured someone ought to remind folks what Memorial Day was all about.

[gigman]

I hear ya dude. Thanks.

[StoneTheCrow]

I made this a pretty good while back, it means the same now as it did then though.

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m104/digitalechoz131/Theyneverwalkalone.jpg

[4nik8]

Good job.

[Aper]

I support the soldiers that died defending this country and those that have gone no further.

I feel sorry for the ones that have been manipulated into beilieveing that warmongering is in any way what the founders of this country had in mind is right.

[Stormcrow]

I support the soldiers that died defending this country and those that have gone no further.

I feel sorry for the ones that have been manipulated into beilieveing that warmongering is in any way what the founders of this country had in mind is right.

I would recommend simply supporting all of our soldiers. They don't choose the conflict, they simply choose to serve our country. Just my opinion though.

[LethalDose]

I recognize all persons in service..living and dead..military,firefighters,police officers..they all do a fine job.

And too all vets on these boards..:tipothehat:

[Aper]

I would recommend simply supporting all of our soldiers. They don't choose the conflict, they simply choose to serve our country. Just my opinion though.

I simply can't support soldiers who willingly join a military that goes overseas and murders civlians of a sovereign nation.

Our military should only be here to protect us from imminent threat to OUR borders.

Using our boys as a means to grab assets that benefit corporate America is not what should be happening.

As I said. I feel sorry for them. Most don't realize they've been duped until they're in the middle of the crap and start to wonder why they're killing people that pose no threat to us.

And of the "terorists" out there that actually do want to harm us, it's because we werein their "houses" in the first place meddling where we don't belong.

We have no rihgt to be the world's police.

[StoneTheCrow]

Irregardless of what they're doing, they're doing it because they have to. Soldiers do what they're told to do, I might not support the actions they're ordered to do but I'll always support the soldier.

[Aper]

They may be ordered to do certain acions but they weren't ordered to join.

[StoneTheCrow]

I'm glad everybody don't share your opinion, we'd have no soldiers at all.

[Aper]

That would be a bad thing?

Maybe then we'd stop trying to build an empire, raping people's countries of their nationa resources for our own gain and get back to what this country initially stood for.

Freedom.

Again. I don't have a problem with soldiers. Just this countries curent policies.

But I can't really support a soldier who carries out those policies.
Whether he knows it or not or is happy to do so or not.

[4nik8]

Aper, that's fucked up.

[StoneTheCrow]

Aper, that's fucked up.

I'm glad you see it my way nik.

[Aper]

That's what makes this a great country. We can disagree without fear of being killed for having a different view point.

[Entropy]

That's what makes this a great country. We can disagree without fear of being killed for having a different view point.

A lot of soldiers sign up for that reason alone.

[4nik8]

Yeah. Thank a soldier for that, Aper.

[Aper]

A lot of soldiers sign up for that reason alone.

Yup. That's the illusion I had when I joined too.
I still have night mares from what I've done and been through. That's why I have the opinion I have now.

[Entropy]

Yup. That's the illusion I had when I joined too.
I still have night mares from what I've done and been through. That's why I have the opinion I have now.

So if the military sent you overseas right now on a mission for freedom, you wouldn't go?

[Aper]

If I knew then what I know now I wouldn't have ever have joined.

I'm not in any more so the answer is no.

I believe in having a force to protect our borders not police the world.

[Entropy]

Sometimes the best defense is a good offense.

With great power comes great responsibility.

And so on.


I'm sorry you have regrets, but if you joined the military under the belief you were fighting for the core values of what the country was founded on, your conscience should be clear. Doesn't matter what it turned out to be; You believed you were doing what was best for your country.
You can't control anyone else's actions or intentions and being enlisted in the military puts your trust in the people who give the orders. I don't think you're angry at the military, but more angry that your trust was broken. Not by the military, but by the ruined government that controls its purpose.

[Aper]

Sometimes the best defense is a good offense.

With great power comes great responsibility.

And so on.


I'm sorry you have regrets, but if you joined the military under the belief you were fighting for the core values of what the country was founded on, your conscience should be clear. Doesn't matter what it turned out to be; You believed you were doing what was best for your country.
You can't control anyone else's actions or intentions and being enlisted in the military puts your trust in the people who give the orders. I don't think you're angry at the military, but more angry that your trust was broken. Not by the military, but by the ruined government that controls its purpose.

The problem with the best defense stance is that it causes more problems than it fixes. If we were to train and be ready for what ever hapens that one thing. But to go and occupy foreign soil is something we have no business doing. That's where all are problems come from. We piss people off by coming into their house and squatting until they do things the way we want them done.

I'm not now or ever have been mad at "military". I've been saying that. I'm sad that what this country stands for has been perverted and turned into something that should never have been.
I dont hate our soldiers or wish them ill will. I was one.
I don't feel guilty about being in the military. I have problems dealing with some of the lives I took and the way I took them.
Not to try and get sympathy but I can still see the faces of some of them that didn't even know they were about to die.
And it when I think about what they died for that bothers me. Better yet, why I was put in a position to end a persons life and the real gain that comes from it.
Not your safety or mine or even anyone in this country. But some fat cat somewhere has his pipeline of oil protected and his source of income isnt threatened any more.

Does that make sense?

[Entropy]

Does that make sense?

Let me ask you this;

Should it make sense to me because you say it should?

or

Should it make sense to me because I have the ability to form my own opinion and base my decision on the information available?

[Aper]

I'm sorry. I didn't say it clearly.

I was asking if what I said to you made sense.

As far as wether you see things like I do I guess that its up to you. Im not really trying to make you see anything the way I do I was just trying to tell you why I feel the way I do.
Thats it.

[Entropy]

And I was trying to take you back to the decision process of signing up.

[Aper]

And I was trying to take you back to the decision process of signing up.

Oh. I see.

I answered that question.



If I knew then what I know now I wouldn't have ever have joined.

[gigman]

I know it is late but, couldn't resist this one.

http://i596.photobucket.com/albums/tt49/gigman45/GodFallenHeros.jpg

[gigman]

But I can't really support a soldier who carries out those policies.
Whether he knows it or not or is happy to do so or not.

I have to side in with nik on this one Aper. "That's fucked up.'
In fact, you are fucked up. Get help quick.:squigglemouth:

[Deems]

He doesnt need help.
he has the same mentality as many returning soldiers.
Cant say i blame him... but he already knew before he started in this thread his opinions wouldnt be common.

C'mon, Aper.... take it easy on 'em. Your preaching to the choir.